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Reply #45 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

Karnal,

I can't link circumcision and blood sacrifice.

My understanding is based on the discourse between Y.H.W.H. and Abraham in Genesis 17.

Genesis 17:
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17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So God established a covenant with Abraham, all male children were to be circumcised as a token of this covenant.

muslims still practice animal blood sacrifice at the Feast of Sacrifice held at Mecca during the pilgrimage and simultaneously in every moslem community.

By definition muslims also practice human sacrifice today in the 21st century.

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a religious ritual.

muslims invoke allah's favour before they kill (in the most degenerate way possible) some unfortunate human / humans.

muslims believe they are doing allah's will by this slaughter.

muslims believe that allah will give them a greater reward in paradise for these slayings.

Human sacrifice by any other name is still human sacrifice. muslims are practicing it on a daily basis around the globe.

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Reply #46 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

moses wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Karnal,

I can't link circumcision and blood sacrifice.

My understanding is based on the discourse between Y.H.W.H. and Abraham in Genesis 17.

Genesis 17:
Quote:

17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So God established a covenant with Abraham, all male children were to be circumcised as a token of this covenant.

muslims still practice animal blood sacrifice at the Feast of Sacrifice held at Mecca during the pilgrimage and simultaneously in every moslem community.

By definition muslims also practice human sacrifice today in the 21st century.

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a religious ritual.

muslims invoke allah's favour before they kill (in the most degenerate way possible) some unfortunate human / humans.

muslims believe they are doing allah's will by this slaughter.

muslims believe that allah will give them a greater reward in paradise for these slayings.

Human sacrifice by any other name is still human sacrifice. muslims are practicing it on a daily basis around the globe.

I’m sorry, Moses, but Muslims don’t sacrifice animals at Mecca. Muslims kill animals for food. They don’t kill animals to offer to deities.

As for human sacrifice, by your definition many in the military would be guilty of this. Almost every religious person (and many non-religious) prays before going into battle.

Muslims don’t believe they will get rewards in paradise for killing. They believe they get rewarded for dying..

The only sacrifice Muslims partake in is self sacrifice. Like the early Christians, Muslims believe in martyrdom. Dying as part of a cause is held in high esteem in.both religions, but even in the secular world.

Every night at 7pm, RSL clubs dim their lights and say the Remembrance. This "prayer" honours those who fought in past wars. It’s not religious, but those fallen comrades are secular martyrs in the defence of our empire/nation.

The self-sacrifice of martyrdom is no different.

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Reply #47 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

moses wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Karnal,

I can't link circumcision and blood sacrifice.

My understanding is based on the discourse between Y.H.W.H. and Abraham in Genesis 17.

Genesis 17:
Quote:

17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So God established a covenant with Abraham, all male children were to be circumcised as a token of this covenant.

muslims still practice animal blood sacrifice at the Feast of Sacrifice held at Mecca during the pilgrimage and simultaneously in every moslem community.

By definition muslims also practice human sacrifice today in the 21st century.

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a religious ritual.

muslims invoke allah's favour before they kill (in the most degenerate way possible) some unfortunate human / humans.

muslims believe they are doing allah's will by this slaughter.

muslims believe that allah will give them a greater reward in paradise for these slayings.

Human sacrifice by any other name is still human sacrifice. muslims are practicing it on a daily basis around the globe.

I’m sorry, Moses, but Muslims don’t sacrifice animals at Mecca. Muslims kill animals for food. They don’t kill animals to offer to deities.

As for human sacrifice, by your definition many in the military would be guilty of this. Almost every religious person (and many non-religious) prays before going into battle.

Muslims don’t believe they will get rewards in paradise for killing. They believe they get rewarded for dying..

The only sacrifice Muslims partake in is self sacrifice. Like the early Christians, Muslims believe in martyrdom. Dying as part of a cause is held in high esteem in.both religions, but even in the secular world.

Every night at 7pm, RSL clubs dim their lights dim and say the Remembrance. This "prayer" honours those who fought in past wars. It’s not religious, but those fallen comrades are secular martyrs in the defence of our empire/nation.

The self-sacrifice of martyrdom is no different.

Well matty muslims do kill because it is the will of allah however as written in the so called word of allah in the quran.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95432 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #48 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?
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Reply #49 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

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Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #50 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

Your definition means that every soldier acting under orders to kill engages in human sacrifice.

What do you think of our boys’ work over in Iraq, Matty? Blood sacrifice?

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Reply #51 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

Your definition means that every soldier acting under orders to kill engages in human sacrifice.

What do you think of our boys’ work over in Iraq, Matty? Blood sacrifice?

Thanks for your response Matty, I think we should have no boys in iraq at all and we should let the angry and upset muslims top each other and then bomb whoever wins into oblivion and make the world a more loving place without their seething hatred propagating anymore.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #52 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 8:35pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

Your definition means that every soldier acting under orders to kill engages in human sacrifice.

What do you think of our boys’ work over in Iraq, Matty? Blood sacrifice?

Thanks for your response Matty, I think we should have no boys in iraq at all and we should let the angry and upset muslims top each other and then bomb whoever wins into oblivion and make the world a more loving place without their seething hatred propagating anymore.

Sorry, Matty, are you saying our boys in Iraq are, indeed, engaging in a form of human.sacrifice?

I’m keen to know what you think.

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Reply #53 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

Your definition means that every soldier acting under orders to kill engages in human sacrifice.

What do you think of our boys’ work over in Iraq, Matty? Blood sacrifice?

Thanks for your response Matty, I think we should have no boys in iraq at all and we should let the angry and upset muslims top each other and then bomb whoever wins into oblivion and make the world a more loving place without their seething hatred propagating anymore.

Sorry, Matty, are you saying our boys in Iraq are, indeed, engaging in a form of human.sacrifice?

I’m keen to know what you think.

To which god Matty ?

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #54 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Thanks, Matty. Would you go as far as to say that the state executions and killing in battle the Koran mentions constitute human sacrifice?

Hi Matty , if you are doing it to appease or as an order from that mythical deity it would be a sacrifice to that particular mythical deity.

Your definition means that every soldier acting under orders to kill engages in human sacrifice.

What do you think of our boys’ work over in Iraq, Matty? Blood sacrifice?

Thanks for your response Matty, I think we should have no boys in iraq at all and we should let the angry and upset muslims top each other and then bomb whoever wins into oblivion and make the world a more loving place without their seething hatred propagating anymore.

Sorry, Matty, are you saying our boys in Iraq are, indeed, engaging in a form of human.sacrifice?

I’m keen to know what you think.

To which god Matty ?

To God, King and Cuntry.

If you’d ever been in the army, you’d know exactly what I mean. There are still toasts to this. They mention it on parade.

This is exactly what Mr Abbott wants to bring to society at large. The difference, I guess, is that soldiers are paid to listen to it. And like footballers mouthing the words to the national.anthem before a game, soldiers do what they’re told.
God is an integral part of every army I’ve ever encountered. The Krauts used to put Him on their belt buckles: "Gott mit uns". The Yanks are even worse.

The more risky the task, the more you’ll hear about God. This is the way it has always been. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

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Reply #55 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

And not just God, but alcohol and prostitution.

I don’t care how religious an army is. They all encourage p1ssing your field pay away on.boozing and f cking.

A poor soldier is a compliant soldier. Add God and you’re away.

Only when.men come back does the hypocrisy of the whole game become so bleedingly obvious.

When you’re a kid, you don’t think so much.

Eh, Matty?

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Reply #56 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

To which god Matty ?

To God, King and Cuntry.

Which God is that ? It sounds like a toast to God King and Country.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

If you’d ever been in the army, you’d know exactly what I mean. There are still toasts to this. They mention it on parade.

Ah that's a toast not a human sacrifice.

So they don't say they will sacrifice humans to god then. Or kill in the name of allah.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

This is exactly what Mr Abbott wants to bring to society at large.

What, toasting, big deal.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

The difference, I guess, is that soldiers are paid to listen to it. And like footballers mouthing the words to the national.anthem before a game, soldiers do what they’re told.

Of course they do they are in the army its pretty simple really. Its a job.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

God is an integral part of every army I’ve ever encountered.

Lol how many armies was that the American Army with soldiers that follow a plethora of guds. Sorry try harder the American army is a governments army not a religious army you seem confused.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

The Krauts used to put Him on their belt buckles: "Gott mit uns". The Yanks are even worse.

Hmm Army of the United States follows which god again ?

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

The more risky the task, the more you’ll hear about God.

I think your starting to dream a bit here. Which god is that ? The army mans/soldiers god ?

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

This is the way it has always been. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

Not really Matty.

So to which god do these human sacrifices go ?

Muslims kill in the name of allah we know which god they are killing for.

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Reply #57 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:04pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

And not just God, but alcohol and prostitution.

I don’t care how religious an army is. They all encourage p1ssing your field pay away on.boozing and f cking.

Which movie did you see this in ?

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

A poor soldier is a compliant soldier. Add God and you’re away.

Which army was this again ? A muslim army ? ISIS?

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Only when.men come back does the hypocrisy of the whole game become so bleedingly obvious.

Well there are some gullible people out there I guess. If I was in the army I know my job would be to kill people I guess. I wouldn't be under any mythological delusions.

Karnal wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

When you’re a kid, you don’t think so much.

Eh, Matty?

About what Matty ? Joining the army when you become old enough ?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136820 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #58 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:12pm LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:04pm: Which movie did you see this in ? Top Gun. Your favourite.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95432 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #59 - Jun 28^th, 2015 at 11:49pm Now now, Greggery, Matty is perfectly free to.his opinion. He might not know what it is, but I for one, would die for Matty’s right to.find out. I’m just pleased that, this time round, he’s come back with an.open mind.
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