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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #60 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 12:06am Matty is a legend greg the spiritual force of karnals inner channeling, he usually sleeps under his bed and levitates karnal in the air late at night when he isn't sending him messages through his Ouija board. No answer to my questions Karnal/Matty ?
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Reply #61 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 12:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:04pm:

Which movie did you see this in ?

Top Gun. Your favourite.

I am sorry greg you really do need to run along and find a gay man, perhaps karnal got the stuff from your version of top gun, ya never know your luck on an affluent message board. Fingers crossed for you.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95416 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #62 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 12:39am Who knows? He might break down a lot quicker this time. And I, for one, would fight to the death for his right to do so. Human.sacrifice, no?
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Reply #63 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

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I’m sorry, Moses, but Muslims don’t sacrifice animals at Mecca. Muslims kill animals for food. They don’t kill animals to offer to deities.

The Hajj is an annual islamic pilgrimage to Mecca, and a mandatory religious duty for muslims.

muslims converge on Mecca for the week of the Hajj, and perform a series of rituals: each person walks counter-clockwise seven times around the Ka'aba (the cube-shaped building and the direction of prayer for the Muslims), runs back and forth between the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, drinks from the Zamzam Well, goes to the plains of Mount Arafat to stand in vigil, spends a night in the plain of Muzdalifa, and performs symbolic stoning of the devil by throwing stones at three pillars. The pilgrims then shave their heads, perform a ritual of animal sacrifice, and celebrate the three day global festival of Eid al-Adha.

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As for human sacrifice, by your definition many in the military would be guilty of this. Almost every religious person (and many non-religious) prays before going into battle.

They pray for protection and to be safely bought home. A far cry from the compulsory killing commanded in the qur'an as the highest path a muslim can take. Plus the fanatical desire to kill and be killed in order to obey their religion. Human sacrifice pure and simple.

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Muslims don’t believe they will get rewards in paradise for killing. They believe they get rewarded for dying.

The command is to slay and be slain. (killing is part and parcel of islam) Human sacrifice.

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The only sacrifice Muslims partake in is self sacrifice. Like the early Christians, Muslims believe in martyrdom. Dying as part of a cause is held in high esteem in.both religions, but even in the secular world.

muslims bastardized the word martyr.

martyr: One who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty for refusing to renounce their religion

muslims call their depraved devotees who die while forcing islam on innocent people a martyr (just one more muslim lie.)

These killers are guaranteed paradise and the illustrious houri's with big tits.

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Every night at 7pm, RSL clubs dim their lights and say the Remembrance. This "prayer" honours those who fought in past wars. It’s not religious, but those fallen comrades are secular martyrs in the defence of our empire/nation.

The self-sacrifice of martyrdom is no different.

It is a ritual of remembrance only. There are no religious rewards.

Conversely muslim killers are assured a place in allah's paradise.

So after all the side issues. muslims kill people because their cult decrees it. The killings are prescribed as the perfect way to enter islamic paradise. (muslims slaughter human beings to appease their satanic deity allah)

muslims perform human sacrifice as a religious obligation.

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Reply #64 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Animals are killed at Eid to break the fast of Ramadan, Moses. They are not slaughtered to appease a deity, as lambs are by Jews during Passover.

The Koran states that Muslims who die doing God's work will be blessed. This can range from performing charity to doing religious pilgrimage to dying in battle to defend fellow Muslims. These are not prescriptive, even if Muslims take it as such. It has to do with a person's intent.

This is no different to what Krishna teaches Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita - a book read by Hindus that centres around a battle. It is no different to what the Buddha outlined as karma (without the belief in God). It is no different to what the Bible teaches. People reap rewards or reactions for their actions. As ye sow shall ye reap. This life is a test for the next life. Your own death is a test for the next life. Many religious people spend their last days in prayer or devotional service for this very reason.

Muslims who don't understand this are missing the point of the Koran. Why do I think this?

Because Muslims themselves have told me. This is what Islam actually teaches. The suicide-bombing/death cult version is false religion. ISIS is false religion.

Even knuckleheads like Zaky Mallah will tell you that.

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Reply #65 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 2:52pm

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Animals are killed at Eid to break the fast of Ramadan, Moses. They are not slaughtered to appease a deity, as lambs are by Jews during Passover.

Eid al-Adha the day where muslims sacrifice an animal for allah in honor of Abraham's willingness to kill his son.

Men, women and children are expected to dress in their finest clothing to perform Eid prayer in a large congregation in an open waqf ("stopping") field called Eidgah or mosque. Affluent muslims who can afford to, i.e. Malik-e-Nisaab, sacrifice their best halal domestic animals (usually a cow, but can also be a camel, goat, sheep or ram depending on the region) as a symbol of Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his only son. The sacrificed animals, called aḍḥiya (Arabic: أضحية‎, also known by its Persian term, Qurbāni), have to meet certain age and quality standards or else the animal is considered an unacceptable sacrifice. This tradition accounts for the slaughter of more than 100 million animals in only two days of Eid. In Pakistan alone nearly 10 million animals are slaughtered on Eid days

It is a religious ritual of Animal Sacrifice.

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The Koran states that Muslims who die doing God's work will be blessed. This can range from performing charity to doing religious pilgrimage to dying in battle to defend fellow Muslims. These are not prescriptive, even if Muslims take it as such. It has to do with a person's intent.

This is no different to what Krishna teaches Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita - a book read by Hindus that centres around a battle. It is no different to what the Buddha outlined as karma (without the belief in God). It is no different to what the Bible teaches. People reap rewards or reactions for their actions. As ye sow shall ye reap. This life is a test for the next life. Your own death is a test for the next life. Many religious people spend their last days in prayer or devotional service for this very reason.

Muslims who don't understand this are missing the point of the Koran. Why do I think this?

Because Muslims themselves have told me. This is what Islam actually teaches. The suicide-bombing/death cult version is false religion. ISIS is false religion.

Even knuckleheads like Zaky Mallah will tell you that.

Yeah the old that's not true islam excuse.

Millions of muslims around the globe see it differently, slaughtering people with the clearest of conscience, quoting the commands of allah, the teachings and example set by muhammad, as their justification.

As I've always said the root cause of muslim atrocities is islam it'self. muslims who support the above tenets by refusing to denounce the commands, teachings and verses which engender islamic human sacrifice, support the actual depraved muslim heinousness.

While ever muslims / apologists hide behind their lies and excuses, islamic human sacrifice will reign supreme.

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Reply #66 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:26pm

Read your article, Moses. Animals are divided between family, friends, and the poor.

It’s not sacrifice, it’s what’s known as a feast.

I’m not sure if millions of Muslims ignore the teachings of the Koran and practice things like suicide bombing, but I doubt it. You might have a point about what Muslims think if their own texts didn’t differ from this.

You always disagree with Brain when he tells you about Joseph Kony. Jesus did not preach killing, even if he said he came to bring a sword.

If Muslims believe they’re justified to kill for their own ends, they’re not practicing Islam.

The only Muslim here will tell you this, but for some reason, you disagree.

You obviously know more. Jihadwatch, eh?

Pity they never read the Koran either.

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Reply #67 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:04pm

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Read your article, Moses. Animals are divided between family, friends, and the poor.

It’s not sacrifice, it’s what’s known as a feast.

muslims sacrifice animals – usually cow and goats but also camels, sheep and rams – during Eid and donate one part of the meat to poor people. The animal slaughtering symbolises the willingness of Ibrahim to sacrifice his son to God.The animals have to meet certain quality standards, or their sacrifice will be considered unacceptable.

when Abraham was about to sacrifice Ishmael, allah spared the boy's life and replaced him with a lamb – which is what Abraham ultimately sacrified.To commemorate the sacrifice, muslims sacrifice cows, lambs, goats, rams or other animals on Eid al-Adha

If the animals are nothing more than a source of food, why the religious implications E.G. to commemorate the testing of Abraham's faith, the quality of the animal or the sacrifice is unacceptable?

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I’m not sure if millions of Muslims ignore the teachings of the Koran and practice things like suicide bombing, but I doubt it. You might have a point about what Muslims think if their own texts didn’t differ from this.

Those muslims who actively participate in the actual slaughter of their fellow man as the qur'an decrees, are supported by every muslim who refuses to denounce the islamic decrees which spawn said islamic depravities. (as there are no muslims who will renounce these teachings of evil, every muslim is a passive supporter)

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You always disagree with Brain when he tells you about Joseph Kony. Jesus did not preach killing, even if he said he came to bring a sword.

Sword = the Word of God

Ephesians 6.17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4.12: 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Revelations 2.16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelations 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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If Muslims believe they’re justified to kill for their own ends, they’re not practicing Islam.

The only Muslim here will tell you this, but for some reason, you disagree.

You obviously know more. Jihadwatch, eh?

Pity they never read the Koran either.

muslims can find justification for slaughtering their fellow man in the islamic commands of jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

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Reply #68 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm

Actually, I believe sword = justice.

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t. Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

You know it, and I know it.

There is no religious justification for killing in the name of jihad alone. There is no justification for "self alienation from normal society", and certainly none for hate speech.

If you can reference otherwise, please do.

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Reply #69 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t. Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

Believe me K - I've been asking this question for years now:

If the knuckleheads are right about Islam, why are they still in the minority?

I'm still waiting for a serious answer.

Then when confronted by one of these majority non-terrorist-supporting muslims, we are merely dismissed as liars or ignorant of our own religion. As if its far more likely that its the majority of a large mainstream religion that are fools or liars - rather than the minority of murderous extremists Tongue

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #70 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t. Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

Believe me K - I've been asking this question for years now:

If the knuckleheads are right about Islam, why are they still in the minority?

I'm still waiting for a serious answer.

Then when confronted by one of these majority non-terrorist-supporting muslims, we are merely dismissed as liars or ignorant of our own religion. As if its far more likely that its the majority of a large mainstream religion that are fools or liars - rather than the minority of murderous extremists Tongue

Here's the gist of the problem, Gandy.

The 'vast majority' are ideologically indistinguishable from the 'tiny minority'. The difference is in tactics and strategy - and violence. This is exactly why the vast majoryu cannot even begin to root out the 'tiny minority'.

They are almost always 'surprised' when a 'good kid' goes and signs up with ISIS. Why? Because not even the Muslims can tell the 'vast majority' and the tiny minority' apart UNTIL AFTER the bons have been set off, the heads cut off, the captive girls raped. UNTIL THEN, there is no difference between the peace loving and the blood soaked.

So until the violence erupts, the only difference between you and them is words - and your words have zero effect on them. You do not even consider them the problem of the 'vast majority' of Muslims. You would die in a ditch pretending that ISIS has nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

Like Cameron and O'Bama and Abbott and Bush.

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Reply #71 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 7:10pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 11:59am:

Muslims who don't understand this are missing the point of the Koran. Why do I think this?

Because Muslims themselves have told me. This is what Islam actually teaches. The suicide-bombing/death cult version is false religion. ISIS is false religion.

Even knuckleheads like Zaky Mallah will tell you that.

Alas, there is no authoritative voice in Islam, so the death culters are as good Muslims as the quietists and everyone in-between.
And what is worse, they have no influence on each other - the 'vast majority' doesn't even accept that the death-cultists are an Islamic problem.

It's head-hackers versus arse-coverers. The forehead to the ground, arse in the air ritual makes sudden semiotic sense - what is your highest point, oh Muslim, your head or your arse?

You must love all those prayer pictures, PB.

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Reply #72 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 9:58pm

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t. Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

Believe me K - I've been asking this question for years now:

If the knuckleheads are right about Islam, why are they still in the minority?

I'm still waiting for a serious answer.

Then when confronted by one of these majority non-terrorist-supporting muslims, we are merely dismissed as liars or ignorant of our own religion. As if its far more likely that its the majority of a large mainstream religion that are fools or liars - rather than the minority of murderous extremists Tongue

Here's the gist of the problem, Gandy.

The 'vast majority' are ideologically indistinguishable from the 'tiny minority'. The difference is in tactics and strategy - and violence. This is exactly why the vast majoryu cannot even begin to root out the 'tiny minority'.

They are almost always 'surprised' when a 'good kid' goes and signs up with ISIS. Why? Because not even the Muslims can tell the 'vast majority' and the tiny minority' apart UNTIL AFTER the bons have been set off, the heads cut off, the captive girls raped. UNTIL THEN, there is no difference between the peace loving and the blood soaked.

So until the violence erupts, the only difference between you and them is words - and your words have zero effect on them. You do not even consider them the problem of the 'vast majority' of Muslims. You would die in a ditch pretending that ISIS has nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

Like Cameron and O'Bama and Abbott and Bush.

The only difference between anyone, dear boy, is words. Words betray intentions, and intentions reveal the soul.

I know this is not the Freudian view, but that’s just me.

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Reply #73 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 12:49am

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

Actually, I believe sword = justice.

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t.

Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

You know it, and I know it.

Bull S.

Moslems everywhere speak out against only one thing; the persecution [inclusive of murder also] of those persons from their own camp.

ISLAM teaches moslems, that moslems [exclusively] should be mourned, when something 'bad' happens to them [moslems].

For example can you show me any ISLAMIC texts which contradict this moslem opinion vis-a-vis moslems and disbelievers ???? ------- >

The example of a moslem community leader,

, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

FIRST speaking publicly ------- >

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"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

BUT, NOW LISTEN TO THE EXACT SAME MOSLEM - SPEAKING [PRIVATELY] TO A GROUP OF MOSLEMS ------- >

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Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that

he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

"Ye

[moslems]

are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

There is no religious justification for killing in the name of jihad alone....

If you can reference otherwise, please do.

STRAIGHT FROM ALLAH'S MOUTH

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

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MURDERING DISBELIEVERS IS LAWFUL

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Reply #74 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 1:16am

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:40pm:

You’d be right if Muslims everywhere supported suicide bombing et al in the name of their faith. But they don’t. Muslims everywhere speak out against murder.

Believe me K - I've been asking this question for years now:

If the knuckleheads are right about Islam, why are they still in the minority?

I'm still waiting for a serious answer.

Then when confronted by one of these majority non-terrorist-supporting muslims, we are merely dismissed as liars or ignorant of our own religion. As if its far more likely that its the majority of a large mainstream religion that are fools or liars - rather than the minority of murderous extremists Tongue

Here's the gist of the problem, Gandy.

The 'vast majority' are ideologically indistinguishable from the 'tiny minority'. The difference is in tactics and strategy - and violence. This is exactly why the vast majoryu cannot even begin to root out the 'tiny minority'.

They are almost always 'surprised' when a 'good kid' goes and signs up with ISIS.

Why?

Because not even the Muslims can tell the 'vast majority' and the tiny minority' apart UNTIL AFTER the bombs have been set off, the heads cut off, the captive girls raped.

UNTIL THEN, there is no difference between the peace loving and the blood soaked.

So until the violence erupts, the only difference between you and them is words - and your words have zero effect on them. You do not even consider them the problem of the 'vast majority' of Muslims. You would die in a ditch pretending that ISIS has nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

Like Cameron and O'Bama and Abbott and Bush.

Exactly so.

S,

This too, exposes a dichotomy - that we can see, is [or can be!!!!] exploited by EVERY moslem [living/resident in the West].

And that dichotomy is;

1/ That every single moslem [living/resident in the West] can claim to be a part of the 'peaceful majority', and can, and will, even disparage those 'extremist' moslem 'impersonators', who are bringing ISLAM into disrepute [i.e. those 'extremist' moslem, who are 'damaging' the 'interests' of the guest moslem community.].

2/ But as soon as that very same individual 'activates' himself, and becomes an active jihadi [e.g. he stabs a cop, or he travels to join IS in Syria, or he travels to Somalia, etc, etc], and participates in 'righteous' moslem violence atrocities against 'disbelievers', he always THEN will justify his actions, using ISLAMIC doctrines and texts!!!

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IMAGE....

'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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