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Reply #15 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 3:18pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 2:24pm:
pho there is only one thing you need to remember:

muslim == a follower of Islam


Well, yes, but there's a new one:

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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"
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Reply #16 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 3:21pm
 
But really, its saying the same thing - no?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #17 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 7:53am
 

this is what the left would have of Aust .....

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............Horrors unfold on land and sea

In the space of 48 hours the litany of horrors of Europe’s biggest ­migration since World War II ­unfolded on land and sea
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Reply #18 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm
 
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #19 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:21pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


there are no 'human rights'
that's feelgood lefty nonsense.
It is a fantasy
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Re: Moslem 'migrants', flooding across the Mediterrane
Reply #20 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:50pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


there are no 'human rights'
that's feelgood lefty nonsense.
It is a fantasy


Agreed, human rights are a fictional luxury,abandoned at the drop of a hat,

A better reason to help migrants out is economics.
They have to go somewhere.
The worse their life is wherever they go the more likely you are to get social problems down the line.
as an analogy
It costs you  $10.00 to help them today.
Its costs you $1000.00 to avoid helping them today, and you'll have to help tomorrow anyway.

Looks how much it costs to run Manus Island, and the millionaire factory that is our refugee system.
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Reply #21 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:52pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


there are no 'human rights'
that's feelgood lefty nonsense.
It is a fantasy


So, you have no human rights Sprint?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Re: Moslem 'migrants', flooding across the Mediterrane
Reply #22 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 6:01pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:52pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


there are no 'human rights'
that's feelgood lefty nonsense.
It is a fantasy


So, you have no human rights Sprint?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy

Well, not in Islam, you don't.

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Reply #23 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:52pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:07pm:
Do you support human rights Sprint?  For everybody, Muslims, included?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


there are no 'human rights'
that's feelgood lefty nonsense.
It is a fantasy


So, you have no human rights Sprint?  Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


He certainly has the right to not be offended. He's been frightfully disturbed by the hommers lately.

I do feel it's caused psychological distress. The old boy needs to sue.
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Reply #24 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:11pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
Agreed, human rights are a fictional luxury,abandoned at the drop of a hat


Thats what I call fake morals and its rife in the west.

But just because people are hypocritical about human rights, doesn't mean they can't really exist.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Re: Moslem 'migrants', flooding across the Mediterrane
Reply #25 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:11pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
Agreed, human rights are a fictional luxury,abandoned at the drop of a hat


Thats what I call fake morals and its rife in the west.

But just because people are hypocritical about human rights, doesn't mean they can't really exist.


Could you explain what you mean about fake morals in this instance?

Human rights are a highly mutable concept, and certainly not innate,
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Reply #26 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 9:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 3:18pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

pho there is only one thing you need to remember:

muslim == a follower of Islam




gandalf got that correct, eh Karnal !!!


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1414013899/0#0
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A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems] that it is 'lawful' for them [moslems], to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

That is what a moslem is.






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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/21#21
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THE PERSON WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE, A MOSLEM  ------- >


By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM.

That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'.

And these monsters [moslems] live among us.





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Karnal wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 3:18pm:

Well, yes, but there's a new one:

Quote:
"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda




Karnal,

You forgot to provide a link....


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #27 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:11pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
Agreed, human rights are a fictional luxury,abandoned at the drop of a hat


Thats what I call fake morals and its rife in the west.

But just because people are hypocritical about human rights, doesn't mean they can't really exist.



Having fake morals must be akin to moslems claiming that;

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."



Is that correct gandalf ?



Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...




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Taqiyya

Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”


google




Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit





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Quote:
July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."
Google




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Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"



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gandalf,

QUESTION;
What is the best way for a naive infidel who is unfamiliar with the intricacies of ISLAM,      ....to tell a real moslem LIKE YOURSELF, from a moslem impersonator ?




IMAGE....
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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"



Moslems are taught by ISLAMIC tenets and laws [from childhood], that it is a lawful act, for a moslem to kill a non-moslem who insults ISLAM, by rejecting ISLAM.



Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #28 - Aug 29th, 2015 at 10:20pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 9:20pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29th, 2015 at 8:11pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Aug 28th, 2015 at 12:50pm:
Agreed, human rights are a fictional luxury,abandoned at the drop of a hat


Thats what I call fake morals and its rife in the west.

But just because people are hypocritical about human rights, doesn't mean they can't really exist.


Could you explain what you mean about fake morals in this instance?



I think G is referring to FD as the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals. These morals include the invasion of other countries to bring them what we call Freeeedom (TM). Freeeedom includes things like tyranny. It's a mixed bag. Mass arrests, torture prisons, the occasional death camp - all practiced alongside the establishment of Western franchises - McDonalds, KFC, Total petrol stations, HSBC, you know the rest.

Sometimes democracy is mentioned, even though no one gets democracy. Democracy is like the Soviet idea of communism - always in the future, just around the corner, waiting for the right social conditions. In Iraq's case, they got a civil war and ISIS. But they did get to demolish that statue of Saddam for Fox News, so it's all good.

For FD, Iraq is the latest South Korea - a country liberated for the purpose of liberal democracy and economic development. The US, of course, brought none of these things to South Korea - Iraq even less so. It's questionable whether FD even believes it himself (he evades the question). But this is what he refers to as the gold standard of Western flag planting. Iraq didn't take to it, but that's their fault. They should have done what South Korea did and stuck a few dictators in power to keep the peace (sorry, established a corrupt, faux democracy). They did? Well yes, but the US had to get rid of that dictator. He didn't like Freeeedom, so Uncle had to put someone in who did. He failed, but what can you do?

In the end, it was the people of Iraq's fault for being Muslims. Muslims never take to Freeeedom. All they had to do was accept Uncle's kind invasion, get over their family members getting shot and blown up all over the place, and abandon Islam. But would they do it? Not on your life. They had to be difficult because Muslims hate Freeeeeeedom, and that's just the way it is.

For FD, such a cynical view of wishy washy Western morals is uniquely Muslim. Just calling them wishy washy gets on FD's nerves no end. Only a Muslim could do it, and if you're not a Muslim you're an apologist.

But does FD really believe all this? That's the question on everybody's lips. We've all asked. He's never replied, other than with a list of never-ending questions - questions coming out of questions, questions turning into questions, questions questions, and not an answer among them.

Why don't you try one, Pho? Try it as an experiment. Ask FD if he's the standard bearer of wishy washy Western morals.

See what question you get back in reply - if you're lucky.
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Reply #29 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm
 
Further to K's reply...

Exhibit A: the front page of this website now has a moving dedication to Charlie Hebdo. This case was a good example of wishy washy liberal values and fake morals on display. Honestly the hypocricy on display by the French in the aftermath couldn't have been fabricated better: here we had French leaders walking down the street hand in hand with a selection of other western leaders - marching in solidarity for freedom of speech. At about the same time, French authorities were kicking down the door of a notorious French blogger, arresting him for saying some mean things about jews on facebook. I kid you not, this actually happened. France, moreover, has some of the most draconian anti-holocaust denial laws - that is, laws that literally amount to thought crimes. But lets be all outraged by the big bad muslim's attack on free speech.

But FD would never mention this hypocricy, nor would he even dream of accusing those French and other leaders of being cynical with this episode. Of course every right-minded person abhors and condemns violence of this kind, but we don't all get up on our moral pedastool and claim "solidarity" with those who profit from hate and racism. We'll ignore the inconvenient fact that before the attack on Charlie Hebdo, those same righteous French leaders were attempting to have the magazine shut down for incitement, as well as the fact that Charlie Hebdo itself had one of its cartoonists fired for caricaturing jews. Some lines, you see, must never be crossed - even by those warriors of freedom.

But FD's blind apologism for fake morals is not restricted to slain cartoonists. A year or so back when there was serious talk of banning the Islamist group Hizb-ut-tahrir - a group that rejects violence - far from condemning this dangerous attack on FOS, FD was here mocking the muslims who came out in support of them. Imagine that - people who are protesting against blatant censorship and blatant attack on free speech, ridiculed by the great freedom warrior himself. But that gem was possibly even topped a little earlier when he persisted for about 20 pages in denouncing a group of Egyptians protesting against the decidedly anti-democratic and anti-freedom overthrow of Egypt's first democratically elected government. Here we had a group of muslims in a sea of placards and banners saying "peace" and denouncing violence - once again mocked and ridiculed - because they were actually concealing their true motivation, oppression and anti-freedom of course. As is the FD way - of course he had no actual evidence for his charge, the proof was in what they didn't do: not being specific enough about their pro-peace credentials, including the fact that they only had one banner that indicated they were pro-democracy (a giant banner leading the march, but its still only one banner). And lets not get started on his "was it a line?" idiocy about the Oslo incident

You see the problem for FD here is that they are not charging into the streets to support the Charlie Hebdo's first - before they (cynically of course) conduct their "fake" freedom protests when it affects their own. This is another feature of FD's attacks: he holds muslims to a different standard than he holds ordinary non-muslims. For example, how many non-muslims actually came out on to the streets to condemn the Hebdo attack - in fact how many non-muslims ever come out en-masse to stand up for freedoms? Bugger all, thats how many. Yet in FD's mind, muslims should be the extraordinary ones - just because a few crazies commit atrocities using the name of the same religion they follow. But in reality, thats just an excuse. FD will never ever ever acknowledge muslims for doing the right thing in terms of supporting freedom. He has made this clear in his extraordinary mental gymnastics to turn muslim who do make that stand into something else entirely - even at the risk of making himself a complete parody of himself.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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