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Reply #15 - Jun 21^st, 2015 at 3:36pm

moses wrote on Jun 21^st, 2015 at 3:03pm:

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I've an idea, Moses, why not ask the Christians who engaged in said "human sacrifice, rape, torture and mass murder" how they justified themselves using their religion? Joseph Kony for one is very much alive who does those things, IIRC...

Having difficulty finding a teaching of Christ which urges evil Brian?

Not really, 'cause I haven't tried, Moses. Would you like me to try?

How about a teaching of the Church which urges evil, Moses, would that qualify?

Don't forget, Churches teach Christianity... Roll Eyes

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All muslims and their cowardly apologist sycophants, daily show their support for the unspeakable atrocities (islamic human sacrifice, islamic rape, torture and mass murder), by refusing to denounce islamic tenets / doctrine which spawns these muslim depravities

How about Christians who don't denounce their Christian tenets/doctrine which spawns those Christian depravities, Moses? You still going to ignore what happens out the back in the sacristy? Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 2:18pm

The teachings of muhammad contained in the qur'an, purported to be the literal word of allah, defines legitimate deeds a muslim may follow.

Human rights atrocities are the foundation of a myriad of muhammad's teachings.

muslims committing these depravities can genuinely call themselves muslims.

The Word Of Christ contained in the New Testament, delimitates genuine Christian works and Christian qualities.

It quiet clearly states iniquitous people are rejected.

The teachings of Christ are not based on inhumanities.

Therefore people claiming the fellowship of Christ while working evil, decidedly do not meet Christian criteria.(Mat 15:9 Mar 7:7 Mat 7:21 Mat 7:22 Mat 7:23)

Now to get back on topic: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy

My original statement stands unchallenged:

All muslims and their cowardly apologist sycophants, daily show their support for the unspeakable atrocities (islamic human sacrifice, islamic rape, torture and mass murder), by refusing to denounce islamic tenets / doctrine which spawns these muslim depravities.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #17 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm Gandalf will defend a Muslim who slaughtered hundreds of unarmed Jewish POWs for being treacherous Jews on the grounds that they posed a political threat to the fledgling Islamic state.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #18 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 8:23pm freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm: Gandalf will defend a Muslim who slaughtered hundreds of unarmed Jewish POWs for being treacherous Jews on the grounds that they posed a political threat to the fledgling Islamic state. That's different.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #19 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:15pm freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 8:15pm: treacherous Jews This is FD never pulling the race card. He really hates that childish tactic. Whats his favourite phrase? Oh yes, 'thats wasist'
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #20 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm Were they treacherous Jews Gandalf?
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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #21 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm What is it now, the total killed by Islam? 200 million? 400 million? Can anyone answer? The past atrocities by other religions would pale by comparison. And there seems no end in sight. So what is the answer?
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Reply #22 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 12:20am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm:

What is it now, the total killed by Islam?

200 million? 400 million?

Can anyone answer?

The past atrocities by other religions would pale by comparison.

And there seems no end in sight.

So what is the answer?

I wouldn't bet on it, Lionel. Christianity in its Imperialism in the New World was considered to have killed quite a few millions, some directly, most through the introduction of various diseases. In Asia, Christianity also supported Imperialism by the European powers, again millions dead. I can't think of a single Buddhist Crusade, funny that... Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #23 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm: Were they treacherous Jews Gandalf? No FD - because the term has obvious racist connotations, which you are well aware of. I'm not partaking in your childish version of "thats wasist" - a tactic which you yourself love to mock.
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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #24 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 12:20am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:57pm:

What is it now, the total killed by Islam?

200 million? 400 million?

Can anyone answer?

The past atrocities by other religions would pale by comparison.

And there seems no end in sight.

So what is the answer?

I wouldn't bet on it, Lionel. Christianity in its Imperialism in the New World was considered to have killed quite a few millions, some directly, most through the introduction of various diseases. In Asia, Christianity also supported Imperialism by the European powers, again millions dead. I can't think of a single Buddhist Crusade, funny that... Roll Eyes

Don't get out much, do you.

What of the Rohingya?

Admittedly they are Muslim, but who are their persecutors? Hmmmm?

Then again, when you spell 'Crusade' with a capital letter, one supposes you are referring to the ancient Christians - perhaps in the case mentioned it should be 'crusade'.

As things stand at the moment, I'd hesitate to call the Daesh movement a 'Crusade'. It might upset their 'sensibilities'.

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Reply #25 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:48pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:42pm:

Don't get out much, do you.

Nope, not since I've had kids. Do you?

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What of the Rohingya?

Admittedly they are Muslim, but who are their persecutors? Hmmmm?

Well, we could also discuss the Buddhist Sinhallese and their persecution of the Tamils in Sri Lanka, now couldn't we?

However, neither really qualifies as a "Crusade", in that neither is centrally led by a Buddhist Pope or Buddhist Royality, now is it?

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Then again, when you spell 'Crusade' with a capital letter, one supposes you are referring to the ancient Christians - perhaps in the case mentioned it should be 'crusade'.

As things stand at the moment, I'd hesitate to call the Daesh movement a 'Crusade'. It might upset their 'sensibilities'.

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Oh, I think they are a bit beyond worrying about what you or I or anybody else says about them. We are, afterall, untermensch to their obermensch, now aren't we, Lionel? Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Were they treacherous Jews Gandalf?

No FD - because the term has obvious racist connotations, which you are well aware of. I'm not partaking in your childish version of "thats wasist" - a tactic which you yourself love to mock.

Why does the answer depend on the 'obvious racist connotations'?

Let's try making this a bit easier for you to give a straight answer.

Were they Jews?

Were they treacherous?

I can ask in separate posts if there are connotations involved in putting these two questions in the same post. I don't mind, I am used to talking to Muslims. I understand if you consider it important not to be racist when chopping people's heads off.

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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #27 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50pm

Sorry Herb, I cannot go along with the professor, or the Muslim and Christian whackos who post here. They are all symptoms of the same problem. The professor buys into the whole idea of Islam in groups of acceptability, when it is actually about whether Mohamed is the messenger of God or not. Sure some are going to be more violent than others, but if you trust them just because they say they are moderate, you’d give change for a nine bob note. As for the Christos and Muzheads, I wish they would all go back to their Middle East Holy Land and move in with the Jews where they can all be closer to their one true God. One true God, now there’s a brilliant piece of logic. These people actually believe they are logical thinkers.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #28 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55pm Brian, are you still trying to use Joseph Kony to represent "real Christianity" and while pretending "real Islam" is some unfathomable mystery?
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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #29 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 7:56am

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Why does the answer depend on the 'obvious racist connotations'?

Its quite simple FD, you cannot say "scheming jews" without being racist. Thtas the reality of the society we live in, and you are well aware of it. Thats why you are trying to bait me with it. Its not much different to me arguing "oh but "black person" is just different spelling for "negroe". And yet I've no doubt you find the term so offensive that the letters will be censored as soon as I post it. Because the term is highly offensive in the context of our society - just like the term "scheming jew" - because they are well known as synonymous for racist bigotry.

You have made it clear you believe Mohammad was anti-semitic bigot, you have made it clear you believe muslims are rabidly anti-semtic bigots - and you are trying to pin it on me.

Its just you childish version of "that wasist" - and like every "thats wasist" argument, its designed to shut down debate.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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