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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #30 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 12:46pm I understand Gandalf. Although, the phrase in question is "treacherous Jew" which is only familiar to me in the context of Muhammed slaughtering innocent people. In any case, I have a convenient workaround. Were they Jews?
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Reply #31 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:07pm

They were jews - but being jews was not the reason they were executed. And you simply lose all ability to argue that point once you start using universally understood racist labels like 'treacherous jews'.

Put it this way - if a group of Australians betrayed their country - and they just happened to be jews, would you call them "treacherous jews" - after all they are jews and they are traitors right? No of course you wouldn't, and the reasons are obvious.

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Reply #32 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:20pm

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 9:34pm:

Were they treacherous Jews Gandalf?

No FD - because the term has obvious racist connotations, which you are well aware of. I'm not partaking in your childish version of "thats wasist" - a tactic which you yourself love to mock.

Why does the answer depend on the 'obvious racist connotations'?

Let's try making this a bit easier for you to give a straight answer.

Were they Jews?

Were they treacherous?

I can ask in separate posts if there are connotations involved in putting these two questions in the same post. I don't mind, I am used to talking to Muslims. I understand if you consider it important not to be racist when chopping people's heads off.

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.....Let's try making this a bit easier for you to give a straight answer.....

I can almost guarantee gandalf will not answer. Muslims do not answer questions.

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..........I understand if you consider it important not to be racist when chopping people's heads off.....

true, muslims behead anyone. Even other muslims.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #33 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 4:58pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:20pm: I can almost guarantee gandalf will not answer. and I can definitely guarantee that sprint will just ignore the very real answer I gave and once again attempt to caricature me as "the typical muslim".
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Reply #34 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 6:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

They were jews - but being jews was not the reason they were executed. And you simply lose all ability to argue that point once you start using universally understood racist labels like 'treacherous jews'.

Put it this way - if a group of Australians betrayed their country - and they just happened to be jews, would you call them "treacherous jews" - after all they are jews and they are traitors right? No of course you wouldn't, and the reasons are obvious.

Were they treacherous?

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and I can definitely guarantee that sprint will just ignore the very real answer I gave and once again attempt to caricature me as "the typical muslim".

Would it be more appropriate to characterise Muhammed as a typical Muslim and you as an atypical one?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #35 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:14pm I'm interested in your answer to my question FD.
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Reply #36 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Would it be more appropriate to characterise Muhammed as a typical Muslim and you as an atypical one?

Of course - the raping, pillaging, intolerant warmonger is the "real" muslim, and I'm the "fake" muslim for opposing rapings and intolerance.

Thats the correct answer isn't it?

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Reply #37 - Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Would it be more appropriate to characterise Muhammed as a typical Muslim and you as an atypical one?

Of course - the raping, pillaging, intolerant warmonger is the "real" muslim, and I'm the "fake" muslim for opposing rapings and intolerance.

Thats the correct answer isn't it?

Perhaps you should invent your own religion.

What question? The one about treacherous Jews?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96334	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #38 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:14am What were you saying about Muslims and questions, Sprint?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #39 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:26am freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:54pm: What question? The one about treacherous Jews? If you identified a group of Australians who betrayed the country - and who also happened to be jews - would you label them "treacherous jews"? After all they are treacherous and they are jews right?
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ... Reply #40 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:32am freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 9:55pm: Brian, are you still trying to use Joseph Kony to represent "real Christianity" and while pretending "real Islam" is some unfathomable mystery? Dear O dear ... and Christ wept for His people ...
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Reply #41 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 11:12am

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

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and I can definitely guarantee that sprint will just ignore the very real answer I gave and once again attempt to caricature me as "the typical muslim".

Would it be more appropriate to characterise Muhammed as a typical Muslim and you as an atypical one?

FD,
IMO, it would be appropriate to characterise both gandalf, and, Mohammed as typical moslems.

Isn't that right gandalf ?

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Mohammed;

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

And since the vast majority of muslims *DO* adhere to my version of peaceful/tolerant islam - I'd say I (or rather "my side" - if you like) have been rather successful no?

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FOR EXAMPLE;

gandalf's 'brother', Mr Yunus [in Darwin] is another moslem, who is absolutely certain that ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

EXAMPLE - of a moslem engaging in, a 'peaceful' 'stealth' Jihad, here in Australia, FALSELY promoting ISLAM as a 'peaceful' faith.....

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a typical moslem.

Mr Yunus is a typical follower of ISLAM.

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Mr Yunus is another typical moslem.

And imo, Mr Yunus is intentionally misrepresenting ISLAM to us [to all Australians],

in those public statements which he has made.

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Reply #42 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 8:54pm:

What question? The one about treacherous Jews?

If you identified a group of Australians who betrayed the country - and who also happened to be jews - would you label them "treacherous jews"? After all they are treacherous and they are jews right?

Like I already said, I have only seen the term treacherous used this way by Muslims trying to justify Muhammed slaughtering innocent people. I am more familiar with treacherous used to describe things like bar crossings. So I am not going to start using it that way myself. This is not the same thing as arguing that the 'racist connotations' somehow change the facts of the matter and I think it would be ludicrous to insist on this basis, as you do, that they are not treacherous Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

They were jews - but being jews was not the reason they were executed. And you simply lose all ability to argue that point once you start using universally understood racist labels like 'treacherous jews'.

Put it this way - if a group of Australians betrayed their country - and they just happened to be jews, would you call them "treacherous jews" - after all they are jews and they are traitors right? No of course you wouldn't, and the reasons are obvious.

Were they treacherous?

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Reply #43 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 4:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

I can almost guarantee gandalf will not answer.

and I can definitely guarantee that sprint will just ignore the very real answer I gave and once again attempt to caricature me as "the typical muslim".

Sorry Gandalf, I missed your answer.

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Reply #44 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

moses wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

All muslims and their cowardly apologist sycophants, daily show their support for the unspeakable atrocities (islamic human sacrifice, islamic rape, torture and mass murder), by refusing to denounce islamic tenets / doctrine which spawns these muslim depravities.

Care to address Christian atrocities as well, Moses or is your venom only reserved for one side of the sectarian fence? Roll Eyes

Alert - muslim diversion.

Stay on thread please brian.
You can start your own thread on Christian atrocities.

I have but no one wants to play, Sprint so I feel it necessary to ask the question in this thread about Islamic atrocities. I wonder why all the Islamophobes only address Islamic atrocities and ignore Christian ones? Roll Eyes

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

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