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Reply #45 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 4:23pm:

moses wrote on Jun 20^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

All muslims and their cowardly apologist sycophants, daily show their support for the unspeakable atrocities (islamic human sacrifice, islamic rape, torture and mass murder), by refusing to denounce islamic tenets / doctrine which spawns these muslim depravities.

Care to address Christian atrocities as well, Moses or is your venom only reserved for one side of the sectarian fence? Roll Eyes

Alert - muslim diversion.

Stay on thread please brian.
You can start your own thread on Christian atrocities.

I have but no one wants to play, Sprint so I feel it necessary to ask the question in this thread about Islamic atrocities. I wonder why all the Islamophobes only address Islamic atrocities and ignore Christian ones? Roll Eyes

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

This guy cracks me up. Then again, he's a comedian - that's his job.

"a cynical weapon of cultural terrorism" Grin

No wonder the Islamophobes love him so much.

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Reply #46 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

Gnads, why should I listen to an entertainer? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #47 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

This is not the same thing as arguing that the 'racist connotations' somehow change the facts of the matter and I think it would be ludicrous to insist on this basis, as you do, that they are not treacherous Jews.

How long do you think a reporter in a mainstream paper would last using the phrase - irrespective of whether or not it was factually accurate?

You feign naivety now FD, yet you somehow thought it very important that I admit they were "treacherous jews". So you can't have it both ways - its either a mundane and insignificant statement of fact, or something deeply sinister - it can't be both.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #48 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

Gnads, why should I listen to an entertainer? Roll Eyes

He is far more accurate and articulate than any defender of Islamic doctrines. He is certainly far more articulate and knowledgeable than you or gweggowy.

SO you should both listen to learn. Do you want to learn, Brain, or do you know everything already? And if you think you are smart, you should mebbe refute any or all the points he is making. Now there's a challenge for the goddamned Rousseau of Ozpolitic.

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Reply #49 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

This is not the same thing as arguing that the 'racist connotations' somehow change the facts of the matter and I think it would be ludicrous to insist on this basis, as you do, that they are not treacherous Jews.

How long do you think a reporter in a mainstream paper would last using the phrase - irrespective of whether or not it was factually accurate?

You feign naivety now FD, yet you somehow thought it very important that I admit they were "treacherous jews". So you can't have it both ways - its either a mundane and insignificant statement of fact, or something deeply sinister - it can't be both.

What's sinister is you willingly defending a bloke who chopped the heads of 800 unarmed Jewish POWs on the grounds that they were treacherous Jews, but you get all wound up about the phrasing.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

They were jews - but being jews was not the reason they were executed. And you simply lose all ability to argue that point once you start using universally understood racist labels like 'treacherous jews'.

Put it this way - if a group of Australians betrayed their country - and they just happened to be jews, would you call them "treacherous jews" - after all they are jews and they are traitors right? No of course you wouldn't, and the reasons are obvious.

Were they treacherous?

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Reply #50 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:03pm:

but you get all wound up about the phrasing.

And yet its your phrase. But strangely a phrase which you just claimed that you would not use yourself in that context. Go figure.

Tell me this FD - where did you get the phrase, and why did you deem it appropriate in this instance?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:47pm

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And yet its your phrase. But strangely a phrase which you just claimed that you would not use yourself in that context. Go figure.

I said I had seen it in the context of Muslims excusing mass murder by Muhammed. That is the context I used it in.

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Tell me this FD - where did you get the phrase, and why did you deem it appropriate in this instance?

You, Abu, etc.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2015 at 1:07pm:

They were jews - but being jews was not the reason they were executed. And you simply lose all ability to argue that point once you start using universally understood racist labels like 'treacherous jews'.

Put it this way - if a group of Australians betrayed their country - and they just happened to be jews, would you call them "treacherous jews" - after all they are jews and they are traitors right? No of course you wouldn't, and the reasons are obvious.

Were they treacherous?

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Reply #52 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

Gnads, why should I listen to an entertainer? Roll Eyes

Why should anyone listen to you & other apologists like Gweggowy?

This bloke is obviously not in an entertainment/comedic mode ... something he hasn't done since the 1990's.... he's speaking seriously about a growing problem with Islam in the west & the self loathing apologists who can do nowt but make up catch/buzzwords like Islamphobe or Islamaphobia to discredit anyone who is critical of the political correctness being applied to matters to do with Muslims.

He is far more articulate & precise in his dialogue than you pair could ever aspire to .....

half arzery seems to be your forte.

As stated ... try refuting his claims instead of making yourself look like the same sort of dills he describes.

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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #53 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:09pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

You, Abu, etc.

Please quote me where I ever used the phrase. Thanks.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:47pm:

I said I had seen it in the context of Muslims excusing mass murder by Muhammed. That is the context I used it in.

You mean sinister muslims being sinister. Right.

Will you at least admit that you are trying to wedge me into saying something that makes me sound like a racist bigot? Be honest here FD.

Yes they were treacherous, but thats not what you are asking is it? A 7th century ruler - even a religious prophet - executing a group of men for actual treachery wouldn't rate a mention. But make them victims of jewish bigotry, then we've got the perfect basis for a smear don't we? If you were honest you would admit that you want me to say "treacherous jews" because you are acutely aware that the phrase is synonymous with racist bigotry - and ergo, that would make Muhammad a racist bigot, and therefore me a racist bigot. Sorry FD, I won't bite - I won't accept that the Banu Qurayza were killed because Muhammad had a grudge against jews, he killed them for conspiring with an enemy which was attempting to commit genocide against them - and breaking the treaty they had with Muhammad. They being jewish (itself an arguable historical point anyway) shouldn't even come into the debate.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #54 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:07pm

So they were treacherous and they were Jews, but they were not treacherous Jews because that would be racist. They were of course, dead Jews, once Muhammed had his way with them. All 800 of them. And of course this has nothing to do with Muhammed becoming increasingly frustrated with the reluctance of Jews to convert to Islam, despite his sincere warnings to them of the dangers of remaining Jews. Nor does it have anything to do with them being the last remaining of 3 large Jewish tribes that stood between Muhammed and absolute power in Medina. Muhammed killed them for being treacherous. He could tell they were treacherous, because they were all members of the same group of treacherous Jews, which has nothing to do with them being Jews. Nothing at all. I can tell you are sneering right now. Stop sneering at me.

Does that about sum it up Gandalf?

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Reply #56 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:27pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

Gnads, why should I listen to an entertainer? Roll Eyes

Why should anyone listen to you & other apologists like Gweggowy?

This bloke is obviously not in an entertainment/comedic mode ... something he hasn't done since the 1990's....

OMG

I've met gullible people before, however, you take gullibility to a completely new level.

Too funny.

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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #57 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

This was done in 2012 ... & pretty much sums up all the people like yourself Brian who use the false word "Islamaphobe or Islamaphobia"... it holds more truth than the apologist blather you & your ilk post ad infinitum.

Gnads, why should I listen to an entertainer? Roll Eyes

Gnads watched the movie 'Superman', and now he believes that people can actually fly.

People never act Grin

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Re: The 'Extremists' are not committing heresy ...
Reply #58 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:38pm

Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

Today Mohammed would be indicted as a war criminal and if caught and tried, he would be convicted and jailed for a very long time.

He is the only founder of a major religion who would find himself in this predicament today.

Gandy - please explain.

You cannot take people out of a time and try them by the standards of another time.

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