Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:


$Profit Mo would be a registered sex offender if he was alive today.

Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:


I am not excusing anything.  Just saying as a matter of principle. 

And I am definately not saying you can take big mos examples from another time and apply them to modern times. 

No child brides for Muhammad of Lakemba in other words, no matter if you reckon big mo was the perfect man, it's just not on. 

I judge Islam by my standards of my time, that means to me, no head hacking, blowing up buses, or killing people cos they make fun of your sky fairy. 

Just cos big mo was of a medieval time does not excuse his followers to act like medievalists. 

Not that that will stop some of them.  And the rest of them will make excuses.  And the left will excuse them in turn from making excuses.  It's like a smacking disease.   

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 10:54pm:


I do get that.  And I agree, it's the reason why buggertard muslims can justify the bullshit they get up to.  For them to emulate big mo is a great thing to do. 

But it is pointless to say big mo was a pedo, but you can certainly and most definately say Muhammad from Lakemba is a pedo even if his excuse is big mo did it. 

I am not excusing buggertards, I am saying the exact opposite, big mo was a product of his time, this is not his time, we (well most of us) have moved on from the Middle Ages. 

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:


It is not pointless. You just miss the point.

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:


*yawn* - nothing here that we haven't covered ad-nauseum here before.

What this boils down to is you cannot accept that a muslim can be true to his religion at the same time genuinely believe that Muhammad was not acting as a racist bigot. Muslims are either a) supporters of racist bigotry or b) being dishonest. You simply cannot countenance an honest muslim who is honest in their support for tolerance and peace. And thats the prevailing theme throughout this little forum community.

If only you would man up, you would be honest about the fact that this is a deliberate attempt to wedge me and any other muslim that refuses to fit into your pigeon hole. There is no other explanation - as you said so yourself - you want me to admit to a turn of phrase that you yourself would not even use - while at the same pretending that its a perfectly reasonable turn of phrase to use.

The context of this little stunt of yours is well known to both of us: saying a group of men were treacherous and were executed for it would barely rate a mention - not even for a man who is identified by many people as a holy prophet. But describing it as executing "treacherous jews" gives it entirely new dimensions - and you know this as well as anyone. It is different because everyone knows the term "treacherous jews" is absolutely synonymous with racist bigotry - including you. It clearly implies that the group was killed because of their jewishness, and not their treachery, and so yes, it takes on an entirely different meaning. Playing dumb like you are now and insisting that its merely putting two words that are true together is just a pathetic little game of yours. So again, why would you insist that I must adopt this racist bigotry - when you know perfectly well that I reject the 'racist bigot' version of the historical Muhammad? Well of course we know why - because muslims must fit into your pigeon hole

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

"an honest muslim who is honest in their support for tolerance and peace."

= = consult the Koran, read its verses,      and reason will convince you, that such a creature [

"an honest muslim"      "a muslim who supports for tolerance and peace"

] is an artifice, a fabrication, a manufactured lie.


gandalf,

Allah contradicts you.


http://quran.com/9/16-23

He who strives in the cause of Allah, is above the moslem who avoids Jihad, in the cause of Allah.

Those who are at peace with the enemies of Allah, are 'hypocrites' [not moslems,       unless being at peace with the enemies of Allah is a ruse, and a deception by the moslem - Qur'an 3:28].

9:19
Sahih International
Have you made the providing of water for the pilgrim and the maintenance of al-Masjid al-Haram equal to [the deeds of] one who believes in Allah and the Last Day and strives in the cause of Allah ? They are not equal in the sight of Allah . And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

9:20
Sahih International
The ones who have believed, emigrated and striven in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives are greater in rank in the sight of Allah . And it is those who are the attainers [of success].




http://quran.com/9/38-39

"you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah.....If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment"

Sahih International
9:38
O you who have believed, what is [the matter] with you that, when you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah , you adhere heavily to the earth? Are you satisfied with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But what is the enjoyment of worldly life compared to the Hereafter except a [very] little.

9:39
Sahih International
If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And Allah is over all things competent.




http://quran.com/9/41-42

Allah knows that the 'hypocrites' are liars [i.e. infidels]

9:41
Sahih International
Go forth, whether light or heavy, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the cause of Allah . That is better for you, if you only knew.

9:42
Sahih International
Had it been an easy gain and a moderate trip, the hypocrites would have followed you, but distant to them was the journey. And they will swear by Allah , "If we were able, we would have gone forth with you," destroying themselves [through false oaths], and Allah knows that indeed they are liars.



see also...
http://quran.com/9/49-60
http://quran.com/9/81-87



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1430227148/14#14
Quote:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:10am:

My point is that he was a nasty, randy warlord, his doctrines are a hotch-potch of confused, half-understood borrowings.
So neither the person nor his 'revelations' have anything to offer them to a thinking person.