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Reply #90 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

From your point of view S, someone can be delusional - in which case their beliefs are sincere and not contradictory. I would be far happier if you and FD settled for delusional. You would still be ignoring the historical evidence - but at least you are no longer throwing the 'mendacious muslim' slur at me.

You are not delusional, Gandy.

You know that one or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

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Reply #92 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:02pm

Soren wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

From your point of view S, someone can be delusional - in which case their beliefs are sincere and not contradictory. I would be far happier if you and FD settled for delusional. You would still be ignoring the historical evidence - but at least you are no longer throwing the 'mendacious muslim' slur at me.

You are not delusional, Gandy.

You know that one or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

So I'm a liar - I guess Undecided

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Reply #93 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 6:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views: that Mohammed was the best of men and a prophet of god whose teachings and example you sincerely believe and follow on the one hand - and that you are an honest supporter of peace and tolerance.

One or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

From your point of view S, someone can be delusional - in which case their beliefs are sincere and not contradictory. I would be far happier if you and FD settled for delusional. You would still be ignoring the historical evidence - but at least you are no longer throwing the 'mendacious muslim' slur at me.

You are not delusional, Gandy.

You know that one or the other belief is not entirely serious, honest or complete.

So I'm a liar - I guess Undecided

Well, if you maintain that Mohammed was the best of men, then yes, you are.

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Reply #94 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 7:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

As I said - you simply cannot countenance an honest muslim who is honest in their support for tolerance and peace. So where does that leave 20% of the world's population S? I'm curious.

For a very sizable proportion, it leaves them with the choice of submit or die.

In 2015.

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