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Reply #150 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

You see that - it matters not what the "motivation" is, ultimately, because it all comes down to the decision the individual makes - the CHOICE they make to take action, whether that be to do the greater good or the greater evil.

Those who do not grasp this simple fact of life are the real apologists and excuse makers. Perhaps that is their choice, although it seems pretty obvious that, like those they apologise for, they will not take any responsibility for the choices they make.

100% correct.

Too many apologists for murderers on this forum.

And what is the basis of an individual's choice of action??

Er... the balance of motivations.

But as we have learned in these past few years, everyone is motivated by their systems of belief except Muslims when they behave badly. Uniquely, Muslims never choose to act on the basis of their Islamic convictions when they do bad things. When they do nice things, of course its is ALL motivated by Islam, not personal, unfathomable choice.
Allahu Akhbaring Muslims wreacking havoc have nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

On the other hand, everyone who is critical of Islam is motivated by nothing but 'Islamophobia' while Muslims are never motivated by Islam. I wonder why this piece of nonsense was not revealed in the Koran. It is the kind of bizarre nonsense that the book is filled with.

Gwegowy s***g your d*** approvingly should be warning enough that you are on a completely wrong track. But I do not think you are the kind of person who would take such unmissable and alarming warning sign into account.

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Reply #151 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

You see that - it matters not what the "motivation" is, ultimately, because it all comes down to the decision the individual makes - the CHOICE they make to take action, whether that be to do the greater good or the greater evil.

Those who do not grasp this simple fact of life are the real apologists and excuse makers. Perhaps that is their choice, although it seems pretty obvious that, like those they apologise for, they will not take any responsibility for the choices they make.

100% correct.

Too many apologists for murderers on this forum.

And what is the basis of an individual's choice of action??

Er... the balance of motivations.

But as we have learned in these past few years, everyone is motivated by their systems of belief except Muslims when they behave badly. Uniquely, Muslims never choose to act on the basis of their Islamic convictions when they do bad things. When they do nice things, of course its is ALL motivated by Islam, not personal, unfathomable choice.
Allahu Akhbaring Muslims wreacking havoc have nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

And what do we call those who's motivation is to carpetbomb the tinted races?

Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, innit.

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Reply #152 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:56am

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 2:00pm:

You see that - it matters not what the "motivation" is, ultimately, because it all comes down to the decision the individual makes - the CHOICE they make to take action, whether that be to do the greater good or the greater evil.

Those who do not grasp this simple fact of life are the real apologists and excuse makers. Perhaps that is their choice, although it seems pretty obvious that, like those they apologise for, they will not take any responsibility for the choices they make.

100% correct.

Too many apologists for murderers on this forum.

And what is the basis of an individual's choice of action??

Er... the balance of motivations.

But as we have learned in these past few years, everyone is motivated by their systems of belief except Muslims when they behave badly. Uniquely, Muslims never choose to act on the basis of their Islamic convictions when they do bad things. When they do nice things, of course its is ALL motivated by Islam, not personal, unfathomable choice.
Allahu Akhbaring Muslims wreacking havoc have nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

On the other hand, everyone who is critical of Islam is motivated by nothing but 'Islamophobia' while Muslims are never motivated by Islam. I wonder why this piece of nonsense was not revealed in the Koran. It is the kind of bizarre nonsense that the book is filled with.

Gwegowy s***g your d*** approvingly should be warning enough that you are on a completely wrong track. But I do not think you are the kind of person who would take such unmissable and alarming warning sign into account.

More excuses from Sore End.

Motivation doesn't kill. People kill.

Why do you defend murderers?

Apologist.

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Reply #153 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:25am

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

But as we have learned in these past few years, everyone is motivated by their systems of belief except Muslims when they behave badly. Uniquely, Muslims never choose to act on the basis of their Islamic convictions when they do bad things. When they do nice things, of course its is ALL motivated by Islam, not personal, unfathomable choice.
Allahu Akhbaring Muslims wreacking havoc have nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

If only you could hear your own hypocricy S.

Is it not your argument that the peaceful and tolerant behaviour of the vast majority of muslims is not motivated by their religious beliefs?

You would never attribute good behaviour by muslims to their religious convictions - no matter how many times they cite their beliefs as justification. You will mock and sneer at them as liars and hypocrites. And you will do this despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of muslims do this.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #154 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

But as we have learned in these past few years, everyone is motivated by their systems of belief except Muslims when they behave badly. Uniquely, Muslims never choose to act on the basis of their Islamic convictions when they do bad things. When they do nice things, of course its is ALL motivated by Islam, not personal, unfathomable choice.
Allahu Akhbaring Muslims wreacking havoc have nuffin' to do wiv Islam.

If only you could hear your own hypocricy S.

Is it not your argument that the peaceful and tolerant behaviour of the vast majority of muslims is not motivated by their religious beliefs?

You would never attribute good behaviour by muslims to their religious convictions - no matter how many times they cite their beliefs as justification. You will mock and sneer at them as liars and hypocrites. And you will do this despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of muslims do this.

This is a silly argument, Gandy. You are trying to exaggerate things into caricatures (and we know how dangerous caricatures are in the eyes of some Muslims.)

JUST BECAUSE not every single Muslims from Mauritania to Pakistan is violent does not mean that these countries are not the way they are because of the influence of Islam.

The more Islam, the less freedom, less learning, less dynamism, human achievement. There is simply no exception.

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Reply #155 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

My point still stands S.

I'm looking at the individual level: you will never believe a peaceful, tolerant muslim when he says his Islamic faith motivates him to be peaceful and tolerant. Am I right? Or is that 'caricaturing' things too much? Prove me wrong then - show your capacity to acknowledge the goodwill of muslims and the good things their faith can inspire.

For me its a simple game of sums: the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and have no murderous intent. A tiny minority of muslims do. That should be enough to prove who are the "right" muslims. Yes it is more complicated - and you will seek to muddy the waters by pointing out that most of the 'peaceful' muslims are not devout, and therefore aren't motivated by their religion. But then I will counter by saying a good chunk (if not most) of the 'crazies' are not devout either. Not really - only in the sense that they are 'devoutly' looking forward to getting materialistic rewards for being killed on the battlefield - but otherwise don't really give a damn about all the articles of the Islamic faith. So clearly it cuts both ways, and we therefore find that the simplistic 'more non-terrorists than terrorist muslims' formula is as appropriate as any.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #156 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:02pm

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I'm looking at the individual level: you will never believe a peaceful, tolerant muslim when he says his Islamic faith motivates him to be peaceful and tolerant. Am I right? Or is that 'caricaturing' things too much? Prove me wrong then - show your capacity to acknowledge the goodwill of muslims and the good things their faith can inspire.

Take Gandalf for example. What does Gandalf's Islamic faith motivate him to say about executing gays?

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For me its a simple game of sums: the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and have no murderous intent. A tiny minority of muslims do.

It does not hurt as much to be killed by a tiny minority. There's nothing worse than the vast majority hacking your head off.

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That should be enough to prove who are the "right" muslims.

Are they the ones who refrain from executing gays, or the ones who refrain from thinking that gays should be executed?

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Yes it is more complicated - and you will seek to muddy the waters by pointing out that most of the 'peaceful' muslims are not devout, and therefore aren't motivated by their religion. But then I will counter by saying a good chunk (if not most) of the 'crazies' are not devout either. Not really - only in the sense that they are 'devoutly' looking forward to getting materialistic rewards for being killed on the battlefield - but otherwise don't really give a damn about all the articles of the Islamic faith. So clearly it cuts both ways, and we therefore find that the simplistic 'more non-terrorists than terrorist muslims' formula is as appropriate as any.

Are you suggesting that the 100 or so Aussie Muslims who traveled to the middle east to participate in the latest rape and pillage festival did so for the vast riches? IS have released propaganda videos showing them living the high life. They were eating a small plate of food off the floor.

In any case, is it not part of Islam to go into battle to acquire wealth, land and bitches?

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Reply #158 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

My point still stands S.

I'm looking at the individual level: you will never believe a peaceful, tolerant muslim when he says his Islamic faith motivates him to be peaceful and tolerant. Am I right? Or is that 'caricaturing' things too much? Prove me wrong then - show your capacity to acknowledge the goodwill of muslims and the good things their faith can inspire.

For me its a simple game of sums: the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and have no murderous intent. A tiny minority of muslims do. That should be enough to prove who are the "right" muslims. Yes it is more complicated - and you will seek to muddy the waters by pointing out that most of the 'peaceful' muslims are not devout, and therefore aren't motivated by their religion. But then I will counter by saying a good chunk (if not most) of the 'crazies' are not devout either. Not really - only in the sense that they are 'devoutly' looking forward to getting materialistic rewards for being killed on the battlefield - but otherwise don't really give a damn about all the articles of the Islamic faith. So clearly it cuts both ways, and we therefore find that the simplistic 'more non-terrorists than terrorist muslims' formula is as appropriate as any.

Not being a murderous, submission-demanding bastard is not a unique Islamic teaching.

It is being a normal person. Islam didn't introduce 'normal'. You cannot claim 'normal' as an Islamic achievement or innovation.

Islam introduced Submission, death for apostates, jihad, world-wide domination.

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Reply #159 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

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It is being a normal person. Islam didn't introduce 'normal'. You cannot claim 'normal' as an Islamic achievement or innovation.

Islam introduced Submission, death for apostates, jihad, world-wide domination.

Islam didn't introduce any new human behaviors. we were doing everything we are doing now pre-Islam, and we will be doing everything we are doing now post-Islam.

And as for introducing that list of scary concepts i'm pretty sure the Mayans nailed most of those things several thousand years pre-Muhammad.

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Reply #160 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

My point still stands S.

I'm looking at the individual level: you will never believe a peaceful, tolerant muslim when he says his Islamic faith motivates him to be peaceful and tolerant. Am I right? Or is that 'caricaturing' things too much? Prove me wrong then - show your capacity to acknowledge the goodwill of muslims and the good things their faith can inspire.

For me its a simple game of sums: the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and have no murderous intent. A tiny minority of muslims do. That should be enough to prove who are the "right" muslims. Yes it is more complicated - and you will seek to muddy the waters by pointing out that most of the 'peaceful' muslims are not devout, and therefore aren't motivated by their religion. But then I will counter by saying a good chunk (if not most) of the 'crazies' are not devout either. Not really - only in the sense that they are 'devoutly' looking forward to getting materialistic rewards for being killed on the battlefield - but otherwise don't really give a damn about all the articles of the Islamic faith. So clearly it cuts both ways, and we therefore find that the simplistic 'more non-terrorists than terrorist muslims' formula is as appropriate as any.

Not being a murderous, submission-demanding bastard is not a unique Islamic teaching.

It is being a normal person. Islam didn't introduce 'normal'. You cannot claim 'normal' as an Islamic achievement or innovation.

Islam introduced Submission, death for apostates, jihad, world-wide domination.

All values you’ve espoused on a daily basis, old chap.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #161 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 6:38pm

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Laurent Sourisseau, editor of the snarky French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, said in a recent interview that the publication will no longer publish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

Deutsche Welle reported on Saturday that Sourisseau told the German magazine Stern that Charlie Hebdo had accomplished its mission: “We’ve done our job. We have defended the right to caricature.”

The decision comes six-odd months after the militant Kouachi brothers stormed the magazine’s Paris offices in a deadly siege that left 12 people dead at the office. The victims included Charlie Hebdo’s editor at the time, Stephane “Charb” Charbonnier, and veteran cartoonists Jean “Cabu” Cabut, Bernard “Tignous” Verlhac and Georges Wolinski.

http://www.newsweek.com/charlie-hebdo-will-cease-publishing-cartoons-prophet-muhammad-355272

The religion of peace for the win....via violence and intimidation. Roll Eyes

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