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Jun 25th, 2015 at 12:38pm
 
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Switzerland Might Pay All Citizens AU $3,500 Basic Income Every Month regardless of whether or not they are employed.


http://inhabitat.com/switzerland-considers-providing-all-citizens-with-a-guarant...

by Kristine Lofgren, 05/16/14
filed under: News, social responsibility

While the battle continues in the US for a slightly higher minimum wage, the Swiss are exploring drastic methods to create a fair economy. One proposed method would provide a guaranteed 2,500 (AU $3,500) franc income to all citizens, regardless of whether or not they are employed. And if that doesn’t get the job done, a vote on May 18th could decide whether the Swiss will implement the world’s highest minimum wage of nearly $25 an hour. Both referendums come on the heels of unrest in Switzerland over income inequality.

Switzerland has one of the most stable and equitable economies in the world, but it also happens to be one of the most expensive places to live. The country also has an open system of government, which mandates that any citizen who can round up 100,000 signatures can get an issue on the ballot. So a few citizens got enough signatures to put the issue off a yearly wage of about US $33,000 a year for Swiss citizens, whether they have a job or not, on the ballot.

While the minimum income issue will likely come up for a vote in the not-too-distant future, in the short-term, voters will be considering whether to institute a minimum wage in the country on May 18. Right now, Switzerland doesn’t have a minimum wage and some worry that creating one could drive business out of the country. Some employers have voluntarily raised wages in the meantime, while others have threatened to move their businesses out of the country if the issue passes.

Right now about 64% of voters reject the minimum wage, but there have been surprises in the past. Last year voters elected to cap executive pay and to curb immigration, to the surprise of many. What seems to be sure is that whether these particular issues pass or not, Switzerland is concerned with making sure that every citizen can live a comfortable life.
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 1:04pm
 
when can we move...
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm
 
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


Citizens could be thought of as shareholders, especially if one thinks a country should be run like a company.

This is not new, it was tried somewhere in Canadia a long time ago. Depending on the rate, I don't see it as a bad thing. Just as we would be better off paying everyone the pension and cut tax concessions to super. Pay your taxes over your life, here's your pension. If you saved more, which you would if you had the means, that is your gravy for working hard/whatever reason.

Edit: The article is a year old and I have find nothing newer about it. Search more I s'pose.
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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:06pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:54pm:


Unfortunately that article has nothing to do with the topic which was.
"Switzerland Might Pay All Citizens AU $3,500 Basic Income Every Month regardless of whether or not they are employed."

I dare say it was defeated or dropped or something or we would have heard about it.
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Have another spliff - you are out of it so you  might as well stay out of it.




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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:17pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:11pm:
Have another spliff - you are out of it so you  might as well stay out of it.






Your shout ,eh?  Where in your story does it mention paying everyone $$, working or not? Your article is about a minimum wage.
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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


Citizens could be thought of as shareholders, especially if one thinks a country should be run like a company.

This is not new, it was tried somewhere in Canadia a long time ago. Depending on the rate, I don't see it as a bad thing. Just as we would be better off paying everyone the pension and cut tax concessions to super. Pay your taxes over your life, here's your pension. If you saved more, which you would if you had the means, that is your gravy for working hard/whatever reason.

Edit: The article is a year old and I have find nothing newer about it. Search more I s'pose.


It is stupid, regardless of the rate, though I concede it becomes more stupid the more you do it. For those paying more that $3500 in tax, why not just cut their tax by $5000 so they get the $3500 plus the $1500 that would have been wasted on bureaucracy?
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Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


Citizens could be thought of as shareholders, especially if one thinks a country should be run like a company.

This is not new, it was tried somewhere in Canadia a long time ago. Depending on the rate, I don't see it as a bad thing. Just as we would be better off paying everyone the pension and cut tax concessions to super. Pay your taxes over your life, here's your pension. If you saved more, which you would if you had the means, that is your gravy for working hard/whatever reason.

Edit: The article is a year old and I have find nothing newer about it. Search more I s'pose.


It is stupid, regardless of the rate, though I concede it becomes more stupid the more you do it. For those paying more that $3500 in tax, why not just cut their tax by $5000 so they get the $3500 plus the $1500 that would have been wasted on bureaucracy?


Public good of the body corporate? All are not equal in all areas of life.
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Reply #10 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 1:29am
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


Citizens could be thought of as shareholders, especially if one thinks a country should be run like a company.

This is not new, it was tried somewhere in Canadia a long time ago. Depending on the rate, I don't see it as a bad thing. Just as we would be better off paying everyone the pension and cut tax concessions to super. Pay your taxes over your life, here's your pension. If you saved more, which you would if you had the means, that is your gravy for working hard/whatever reason.

Edit: The article is a year old and I have find nothing newer about it. Search more I s'pose.
I believe the thing went to a vote about a year ago and was defeated. So much for the usual accusation that in a Direct Democracy people will only vote themselves more money.  But I agree with you that on its face this seems like a good measure.
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Reply #11 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 1:33am
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:25pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 9:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


Citizens could be thought of as shareholders, especially if one thinks a country should be run like a company.

This is not new, it was tried somewhere in Canadia a long time ago. Depending on the rate, I don't see it as a bad thing. Just as we would be better off paying everyone the pension and cut tax concessions to super. Pay your taxes over your life, here's your pension. If you saved more, which you would if you had the means, that is your gravy for working hard/whatever reason.

Edit: The article is a year old and I have find nothing newer about it. Search more I s'pose.


It is stupid, regardless of the rate, though I concede it becomes more stupid the more you do it. For those paying more that $3500 in tax, why not just cut their tax by $5000 so they get the $3500 plus the $1500 that would have been wasted on bureaucracy?


Public good of the body corporate? All are not equal in all areas of life.
Agreed. As usual muffdiver has no idea.
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Reply #12 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 8:47am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
So they tax people, spend half of it on bureaucracy, then hand the other half back and tell everyone how wonderful they are.

The wonders of socialism.


So your government doesn't tax people?.
Bay the way you have one of the highest taxes in the world.
I guess you are envious.


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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 8:49am
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:17pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2015 at 10:11pm:
Have another spliff - you are out of it so you  might as well stay out of it.






Your shout ,eh?  Where in your story does it mention paying everyone $$, working or not? Your article is about a minimum wage.


You are so boring.


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