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Jun 26th, 2015 at 4:10pm
 
I would normally post this with a link under "Worth a listen" on the member board. But I'm on my phone just now, so all I can do is recommend you go to RN podcasts/Late Night Live and find Linda Tirado & US poverty.   What an eloquent Lady and what a powerful message.
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 5:04pm
 



You are a socialist Bogey......


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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 26th, 2015 at 4:10pm:
I would normally post this with a link under "Worth a listen" on the member board. But I'm on my phone just now, so all I can do is recommend you go to RN podcasts/Late Night Live and find Linda Tirado & US poverty.   What an eloquent Lady and what a powerful message.                              


Love Late Night live on that socialist ABC RN
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Reply #3 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 2:31am
 
U.S. poverty. What the hell does she know about U.S. poverty? Tell me something, Tirado, how much did your ridiculous tattoo cost? How about those designer frames? Who paid for your airfare? Going to Aussie Land is not cheap.

This is what happens when you place Rethuglicons in power. Of course, it was Clinton who sold America out with NAFTA and Obama wants to put the dagger right through the heart of America's middle class with this Trans-Pacific nonsense.

What Tirado is saying is nothing new nor is it worth a listen (although that Aussie guy has a nice voice like most Aussies do) she is just rehashing the rich white boy Rethuglicon sliver spoon in mouth American dream rhetoric that gets no one nowhere.

This is the problem I have with those who deem themselves to be "activist" when all they do is go on liberal or "progressive" radio shows and complain why their college degree is now meaningless. Student debt (like yours truly), a bleak job market, the inability to afford a home, rising health care cost is not just a progressive problem and this b.s. self-victimization of not having a BMW like those rich kids on Wall Street needs to go.

So...listen to all your Dave Matthews Band CDs, read all the Norm Chomsky and hang out in your non-corporate coffee shops, inhaling non-GMO food while collecting native Indian trinkets all you want, Tirado until some foreign media picks you up.  You're just as self-serving if not more boring than the uber rich you rail against. 
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Reply #4 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:19am
 
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who deem themselves to be "activist" when all they do is go on liberal or "progressive" radio shows and complain why their college degree is



is this our ABC shes talking about... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:55am
 
No clods, I was obviously referring to the 1965 Indianapolis 500.
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Reply #6 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:22am
 
Marla wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 8:55am:
No clods, I was obviously referring to the 1965 Indianapolis 500.


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Reply #7 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 9:28am
 
Oh, I see. She received a book deal by simply complaining how miserable her life was. Well, good for her.
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Reply #8 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm
 
Marla, I think you might be shooting the messenger here with one of your big guns.
I didn't think she claimed to come from a poverty background, though she did claim some hard times. She also acknowledged that she had prospered from her career as an activist/commentator.
Nothing wrong with that. She didn't kill anybody or tramp over someone's body to get there.

However, it did seem to me she delivers a strong message about inequality in the US particularly.
What I liked about her thoughts - that's if you can ever trust a socialist (sorry Pansi) - was the point about the so-called "progressives" always having to immerse themselves in every element of the left philosophy. They can't just concentrate on economic improvement, it has to be combined with gay rights, abortion rights, climate change rights and all the rest of it.
Naturally, they are going to be opposed when they come along with an all or nothing campaign because a lot of poor people don't subscribe to all these ideas.

The more commentators there are in the area of economic inequality the better as far as I'm concerned. Raging inequality does not make economic sense any more than it makes social sense.
Keynes & others taught us that a long time ago. Unfortunately in the last 30-40 years economics lost its way in this area.
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Reply #9 - Jun 27th, 2015 at 2:51pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
Marla, I think you might be shooting the messenger here with one of your big guns.
I didn't think she claimed to come from a poverty background, though she did claim some hard times. She also acknowledged that she had prospered from her career as an activist/commentator.


Right. "Hard times." Nothing harder than having a hamburger thrown back in your face because you did not prepare it to the customer's orders. Why what's homelessness or being diagnosed with cancer when compared to that?


bogarde73 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
However, it did seem to me she delivers a strong message about inequality in the US particularly.


True. Just not a original one.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
What I liked about her thoughts - that's if you can ever trust a socialist (sorry Pansi) - was the point about the so-called "progressives" always having to immerse themselves in every element of the left philosophy. They can't just concentrate on economic improvement, it has to be combined with gay rights, abortion rights, climate change rights and all the rest of it.


Think back to the Occupy Movement back in 2011 or whenever it was. While the heart of bringing global consciousness to to the world was a modest one, I found much of it to be an embarrassment for my so-called "Millennial" generation. Little of it was about rights, equality or even social justice. Many showed up (at least here) hoping to get laid, be on camera or stir with police only to run and cry foul foul when the police stirred back.

What I remember about those days were people not so much complaining about inequality but complaining about being told what to do by a supervisor, or boss or some authority figure. Tirado has her work handed back to her and calls that meritocracy. America has no meritocracy. Much of my generation is lazy. Many do not want to work, or, when they do, want a job that pays them well with little involvement their part required.

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
Naturally, they are going to be opposed when they come along with an all or nothing campaign because a lot of poor people don't subscribe to all these ideas.


Not sure I understand that

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 27th, 2015 at 12:24pm:
The more commentators there are in the area of economic inequality the better as far as I'm concerned. Raging inequality does not make economic sense any more than it makes social sense.


Unfortunately, commentary is just another word for talk. I have nothing against Tirado unless activism starts to become social media like fame for those who purport it. I have never read her book or even care to simply because I already know how many Americans go to bed hungry each night, how many are living in cars, on the street or place into prisons for non violent crimes, mental institutions, beaten and murdered by police.

The struggles and uncertainties so many in America face in their inner world arise naturally in weary times of moral, political and social instability also brings about an uncertainty in the outer world to the point it is often not possible to tell which is primary. The term "meritocracy" that Tirado speaks of is incomprehensible to me in these days and times. Maybe Tirado is equating the America's plutocracy as the rich being the only ones with an education archetype but this is highly unlikely. Many of those with a lot of power, money and clout in this country have achieved little in the way of higher education.

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