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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49418 At my desk.	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #60 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill? Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?
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Reply #61 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:35pm

keep tapdancing FD - I made it clear why I was dragged into this thread, and it wasn't to flog dead horses.

So I take it you don't acknowledge the problem you have with fabricating claims about what muslims say?

Would you at least admit it was an inadvertent fabrication? When you are slandering someone so blatantly as you did in this thread, I'd have thought you'd be man enough to acknowledge the mistake when its pointed out to you.

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Reply #62 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:39pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

Even Gandalf, and they do not get more progressive than him. He even suggested that Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the receiver) should be limited to gays who flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style (eg 'the people of Lot'). Is he the sort of Muslim you want to stand shoulder to shoulder with?

noice. Some real class there FD.

Slander

noun

a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report:
a slander against his good name.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #63 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:41pm

It's a bit hard to tell if I 'inadvertently' misrepresented your position when you refuse to say what that position is. But thanks for backpedaling. Perhaps I should make better use of the wiki so as not to make some minor mistake in future.

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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Reply #64 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:41pm:

It's a bit hard to tell if I 'inadvertently' misrepresented your position when you refuse to say what that position is.

Oh its easy FD, you see you don't have to know what my position is to know that what you claim I "suggested" is plain bollocks. I even spelled it out for you just a few minutes ago. Here I'll explain it to you again:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 10^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

What we do know is that the sins of Lot's people was not sodomy per se - but the whole gamut of base, criminal behaviour that come with a complete moral breakdown - robbery, rape, murder etc, of which sodomy in that context came to symbolise.

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freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

Even Gandalf, and they do not get more progressive than him. He even suggested that Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the receiver) should be limited to gays who flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style (eg 'the people of Lot').

Or if you disagree, then it should be easy for you to explain how "the gamut of base, criminal behaviour [such as] robbery, rape, murder etc" can be equated to 'mardi gras style'. Can you do that FD? Do you think you can address this now? Do you think I deserve an explanation after you so blatantly slandered me?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #65 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54pm

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Oh its easy FD, you see you don't have to know what my position is to know that what you claim I "suggested" is plain bollocks.

I think that is a pretty good precis of the more lengthy quote I posted. You do not appear to have disagreed with me on this point.

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #66 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54pm:

I think that is a pretty good precis of the more lengthy quote I posted.

And now after I pointed out the preceding post that you somehow miraculously missed - you know it to be bollocks. Are you going to retract the slander? Do you see any problems with such blatant fabrications (inadvertent or not) when making such a big deal about "what muslims say"?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #67 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:07pm

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:54pm:

I think that is a pretty good precis of the more lengthy quote I posted. You do not appear to have disagreed with me on this point.

How do you think that would stand up in court FD - to justify your slander of someone by cherry picking the evidence - saying that one quote in isolation makes your slander sound true - but ignoring the fact that the entire set of evidence gives a complete different picture?

"no no your honour - please don't look at all the evidence - just look at this one piece so I can completely distort the meaning". Would you go with that defence FD - or are you still sticking to the "oh it such a long time ago - I slandered him because I couldn't even remember what he said - and besides he was being so darned deflective - he deserves that slander!"

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38856 Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #68 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:59pm Others woke up ages ago, gandalf...but it seems you have not yet fully grasped what is happening. FD is not in the least bit interested in acknowledging that he was wrong.......all he wants from you is an opinion that he can make mockery of on his Muslim bash Wiki.
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Reply #69 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:39pm

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And now after I pointed out the preceding post that you somehow miraculously missed

I was recalling a conversation that happened over a year ago Gandalf.

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #70 - Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20pm It is not important whom Mohamed wanted killed. He would kill anyone who got in his way. The point is that he was a charlatan, unless like Gandalf, you believe he was the messenger of God.
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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #71 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:32am

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:39pm:

I was recalling a conversation that happened over a year ago Gandalf.

lol and you still don't get it do you?

Do you see a problem in leaping to declare what gandalf definitely did or didn't say - from a conversations you now concede you had difficulty recalling - and which you now know your recollection was wrong?

Tell me this FD - when you went scrambling for "evidence" for your slander, how did you "miss" the one relevant quote that would have proved to you that your claim was patently untrue? I mean it was literally directly above the one you did use.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #72 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:35am freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:39pm: I was recalling a conversation that happened over a year ago Gandalf. "Oh please your honour - you can't expect me to acknowledge that my slander was wrong - I was recalling a conversation that happened over a year ago!!" smacking unbelievable
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Reply #73 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:41am

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Do you see a problem in leaping to declare what gandalf definitely did or didn't say - from a conversations you now concede you had difficulty recalling

I had no difficulty. I think I did pretty well. You should stop declaring I definitely, 100% said something when I actually said the opposite.

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #74 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:54am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

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Do you see a problem in leaping to declare what gandalf definitely did or didn't say - from a conversations you now concede you had difficulty recalling

I had no difficulty. I think I did pretty well. You should stop declaring I definitely, 100% said something when I actually said the opposite.

How so FD?

Recalling what was said previously seems to be quite a serious problem for you - even recalling what you say yourself. Here I'll remind you again:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

Even Gandalf, and they do not get more progressive than him. He even suggested that Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the receiver) should be limited to gays who flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style (eg 'the people of Lot'). Is he the sort of Muslim you want to stand shoulder to shoulder with?

This is what you "definitely, 100% said." I never claimed anything else. And in case you still cannot grasp the problem - Gandalf did not repeat DID NOT suggest that "Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the receiver) should be limited to gays who flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style". The post I have referred to you would have cleared that up for you no problem.

Are you still going to use the "oh but I was recalling a conversation from over a year ago" BS defense? Do you understand how that is not a defense at all on the point of slandering someone?

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