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Reply #75 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:18pm

Gandalf do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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Gandalf did not repeat DID NOT suggest that "Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the receiver) should be limited to gays who flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style".

Perhaps you can explain the difference between that and the post I quoted.

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Are you still going to use the "oh but I was recalling a conversation from over a year ago" BS defense?

You asked me why I "somehow miraculously missed" it. That is why. You asked me where I got the mardis gras analogy from. I posted the quote for you. You seem to be trying to get me to say something particular, then getting upset when I do not say it. I'm sorry it did not work out how you wanted.

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Reply #76 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:54pm

FD do you think you are making some sort of valid point repeating those questions I have already explained I will not be answering? Have you worked out the reason - and the only reason - I am in this thread, and who is responsible for dragging me in to it?

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:18pm:

You asked me why I "somehow miraculously missed" it. That is why. You asked me where I got the mardis gras analogy from. I posted the quote for you. You seem to be trying to get me to say something particular, then getting upset when I do not say it. I'm sorry it did not work out how you wanted.

Am I correct to say that you didn't actually check this discussion from a year ago until after you blurted out that slanderous accusation about me? Do you see any problem with that - especially now that you are resorting to the "well it was a long time ago" defense?

FD do you think its important to understand exactly what the facts are before making accusations against people? Do you agree that the preceding quote at the very least puts your accusation in serious question - and that you were amiss not to check that (in addition to the quote you posted)? Do you agree that simply saying "its what I recalled from a year ago" is not a defense?

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Reply #77 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm

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FD do you think you are making some sort of valid point repeating those questions I have already explained I will not be answering?

That will do. My point is that as a typical Muslim, you will avoid these questions.

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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Have you worked out the reason - and the only reason - I am in this thread, and who is responsible for dragging me in to it?

I understand Gandalf. As a Muslim, you bear no responsibility for your own actions. It is my fault you find yourself discussing a difficult topic that you refuse to discuss.

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Am I correct to say that you didn't actually check this discussion from a year ago until after you blurted out that slanderous accusation about me?

There's no flies on you Gandalf.

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Do you see any problem with that - especially now that you are resorting to the "well it was a long time ago" defense?

My defence is that I think it is a pretty good precis of the post I quoted.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #78 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:48pm FD, Quote: Under what circumstances do you think Muhammad wants you to kill gays? What was his policy on Pedophiles ? to commit suicide?
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Reply #79 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

That will do. My point is that as a typical Muslim, you will avoid these questions.

You'll keep telling yourself that questions already answered are not questions already answered. I have demonstrated to you on many occasions that your claims of me refusing to address certain issues are simply false. You would think you would learn, but you never will - and something I know for certain is that even if I answer the questions here that have already been done to death - you will simply come back in 6 months or a year and claim I never said anything on the matter, or that what I said was completely different to the reality.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

I understand Gandalf. As a Muslim, you bear no responsibility for your own actions. It is my fault you find yourself discussing a difficult topic that you refuse to discuss.

It is my fault for having the temerity to defend myself against slander - yes I'll grant you that. But don't pretend I am here for any other reason.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

There's no flies on you Gandalf.

I'll take that as a yes.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm:

My defence is that I think it is a pretty good precis of the post I quoted.

Has it sunk in yet how that is not a defense at all for making up slanderous accusations? Since you are admitting now that you never even bothered to check the relevant discussion before you blurted out your accusation, do I really need to explain to you the problem here?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #80 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:01pm freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:05pm: I understand Gandalf. As a Muslim, you bear no responsibility for your own actions. Hang on, isn't that as it should be? I thought it was all the fault of Islam - as such, isn't that Gandalf's get outta Gaol free card?
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Reply #81 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

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You'll keep telling yourself that questions already answered are not questions already answered. I have demonstrated to you on many occasions that your claims of me refusing to address certain issues are simply false. You would think you would learn, but you never will - and something I know for certain is that even if I answer the questions here that have already been done to death - you will simply come back in 6 months or a year and claim I never said anything on the matter, or that what I said was completely different to the reality.

I do not recall ever asking you this prior to this thread Gandalf. Go ahead, prove me wrong, "again". Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

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Has it sunk in yet how that is not a defense at all for making up slanderous accusations?

I have the quote to back it up, and I have you refusing to explain how my interpretation of it is wrong. All you can do is point to where you offered a different version. Holding several positions at once on an issue is not a defence against being criticised for any one of those positions.

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Hang on, isn't that as it should be? I thought it was all the fault of Islam - as such, isn't that Gandalf's get outta Gaol free card?

I agree Phem, you are very confused. Have you figured out yet who those Aussie Muslims would be raping and slaughtering if they were no Muslims?

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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #82 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:01pm:

Do you see any problems with such blatant fabrications (inadvertent or not) when making such a big deal about "what muslims say"?

Not at all. FD's entire project is to make Muslims say what they don't say.

It's a work in progress. Sometimes a question is just a question.

Which we all know is strange, given the 2007 FD's insistence on the rules of debate that are intrinsic to our Freeeedom.

The 2015 FD believes in porkies. Today, the price of Freeeedom is eternal distortions.

Freewill, you see?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96560	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #83 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:27pm freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm: Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays? Under what circumstances will you accept the answers you've been given to this question for the last 3 years? I'm curious.
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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #84 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

I have the quote to back it up, and I have you refusing to explain how my interpretation of it is wrong.

Its really easy FD - its wrong because I never said anything about "flaunting" or "mardis gras style" - you literally made it all up. The post you quoted talked about debauchery and lust - would you describe gays flaunting their sexuality mardi-gras stye as equivalent to debauchery and lust? I certainly wouldn't, and I didn't. But more importantly, the post you quoted was made specifically as part of the same argument made in the previous post - where debauchery and lust had a very specific context - and that was the context of a complete moral breakdown - rape, murder etc - as was the case with Lut. The second post cannot be taken in isolation - but even if it was, cannot possibly be interpreted as referring to "flaunting...mardi gras style".

So you are in fact wrong on two counts - thanks for pointing that out.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #85 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:48pm: FD, Quote: Under what circumstances do you think Muhammad wants you to kill gays? What was his policy on Pedophiles ? to commit suicide? Ignoring the hard questions again - same old Gandalf.
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Reply #86 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

I have the quote to back it up, and I have you refusing to explain how my interpretation of it is wrong.

Its really easy FD - its wrong because I never said anything about "flaunting" or "mardis gras style" - you literally made it all up. The post you quoted talked about debauchery and lust - would you describe gays flaunting their sexuality mardi-gras stye as equivalent to debauchery and lust? I certainly wouldn't, and I didn't. But more importantly, the post you quoted was made specifically as part of the same argument made in the previous post - where debauchery and lust had a very specific context - and that was the context of a complete moral breakdown - rape, murder etc - as was the case with Lut. The second post cannot be taken in isolation - but even if it was, cannot possibly be interpreted as referring to "flaunting...mardi gras style".

So you are in fact wrong on two counts - thanks for pointing that out.

Now now, G, Muslims refuse to answer questions.

That's why FD asks them. Sometimes a question is just a question, remember. FD doesn't really want answers.

He just wants to avoid talking about his porkies.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #87 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: He just wants to avoid talking about his porkies. summed up to a tee
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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #88 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

FD,
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Under what circumstances do you think Muhammad wants you to kill gays?

What was his policy on Pedophiles ?

to commit suicide?

Ignoring the hard questions again - same old Gandalf.

Asking the same questions again.

Are you trying to join FD and Yadda?

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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #89 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

He just wants to avoid talking about his porkies.

summed up to a tee

But more importantly, he wants to avoid why he relies so heavily on them.

Ask him that, G. FD won't even try to reply.

Sometimes a question is just a question, you see.

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