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Reply #90 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

He just wants to avoid talking about his porkies.

summed up to a tee

Will gay marriage survive, come the ummah and sharia law, Gandy?? Paki BVgger?

I am curious, to coin a phrase. Will the arse bandit-sharia alliance survive, come the sharia revolution?
Will sharia survive the coming of the BUM-IN-YOUR-MOHAMEDAN-FACE??
Or is there some underground alliance here, Musilm Arabs being well-known for being arse-bandits?

Thoughts??

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Reply #91 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:50pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

FD,
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Under what circumstances do you think Muhammad wants you to kill gays?

What was his policy on Pedophiles ?

to commit suicide?

Ignoring the hard questions again - same old Gandalf.

Asking the same questions again.

Are you trying to join FD and Yadda?

Mussies don't like to mention Muhammad's rogering of a 9 year old girl.

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Reply #92 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:48pm:

FD,
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Under what circumstances do you think Muhammad wants you to kill gays?

What was his policy on Pedophiles ?

to commit suicide?

Ignoring the hard questions again - same old Gandalf.

Asking the same questions again.

Are you trying to join FD and Yadda?

Mussies don't like to mention Muhammad's rogering of a 9 year old girl.

Is that why you asked?

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Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french
Reply #93 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

He just wants to avoid talking about his porkies.

summed up to a tee

Will gay marriage survive, come the ummah and sharia law, Gandy?? Paki BVgger?

I am curious, to coin a phrase. Will the arse bandit-sharia alliance survive, come the sharia revolution?
Will sharia survive the coming of the BUM-IN-YOUR-MOHAMEDAN-FACE??
Or is there some underground alliance here, Musilm Arabs being well-known for being arse-bandits?

Thoughts??

You're the only one campaigning for the coming of the ummah, old chap. Not even FD and Yadda think that's likely to happen.

It doesn't stop them spending their lives putting words in the mouths of Moslems, but at least they know they're safe here.

As do you, dear boy - Armenians and Ananda Margas excluded, of course.

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Reply #94 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:01pm

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

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Under what circumstances will you accept the answers you've been given to this question for the last 3 years?

All of them? Pick one for me Karnal.

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Its really easy FD - its wrong because I never said anything about "flaunting" or "mardis gras style" - you literally made it all up.

I call it a precis of the more long winded version you gave. Am I wrong for using different words to say the same thing? Is the mind of a Muslim so impenetrable that the only way to capture their thoughts is with a quote?

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The post you quoted talked about debauchery and lust - would you describe gays flaunting their sexuality mardi-gras stye as equivalent to debauchery and lust? I certainly wouldn't, and I didn't.

You're talking about the dancing boys, aren't you?

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But more importantly, the post you quoted was made specifically as part of the same argument made in the previous post

Ah, you should have said. It looks more like another way of spinning it. I like the way you said that things have been said, but not by you, prior to you saying them.

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where debauchery and lust had a very specific context - and that was the context of a complete moral breakdown - rape, murder etc - as was the case with Lut

Giving and taking, no? That must be what Muhammed meant. You have to wave your arms in the air vaguely prior to executing the gays.

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The second post cannot be taken in isolation - but even if it was, cannot possibly be interpreted as referring to "flaunting...mardi gras style".

Yes it can. Would you like me to demonstrate?

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You're the only one campaigning for the coming of the ummah, old chap. Not even FD and Yadda think that's likely to happen.

Except of course for the one that just sprang up.

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Reply #95 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:12pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Under what circumstances do you think Muhammed wants you to kill gays?

What would you think of a modern leader who issued an edict to kill people but left it a bit vague who to kill and under what circumstances?

Do you think Muhammed intended people to be confused about who to kill?

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Under what circumstances will you accept the answers you've been given to this question for the last 3 years?

All of them? Pick one for me Karnal.

Why don't you just pick one for yourself? You've jotted them all down in your Wiki.

I'm wondering why you want to continue an argument you've had countless times. Are you expecting something different?

Or do you enjoy the endless repetition of it all?

I'm curious, FD, I really am.

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

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You're the only one campaigning for the coming of the ummah, old chap. Not even FD and Yadda think that's likely to happen.

Except of course for the one that just sprang up.

Ah. The one at the ABC, eh?

Talk about cunning.

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Reply #96 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

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Why don't you just pick one for yourself?

You may not have noticed, but that is how I 'tricked' Gandalf into posting here in this thread. We havne't heard the last of that one.

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I'm wondering why you want to continue an argument you've had countless times. Are you expecting something different?

It's been a year. I though Gandalf might have made up his mind on when to execute gays. Plus, I am interested in Gandalf's opinion on whether Muhammed was deliberately vague on who to kill, or if it is a shortcoming of Gandalf in failing to figure it out. This is something we did not touch on in any of the previous threads. Does this not interest you?

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Reply #97 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:22pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

Plus, I am interested in Gandalf's opinion on whether Muhammed was deliberately vague on who to kill, or if it is a shortcoming of Gandalf in failing to figure it out. This is something we did not touch on in any of the previous threads. Does this not interest you?

Gandalf has provided his opinion/s, FD. His opinion is that it's not alright to kill gays ("the giver or the receiver").

It seems like you're trying to get him to say something he doesn't really think.

You must really miss Abu, eh?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49402 At my desk.	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #98 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:33pm Quote: His opinion is that it's not alright to kill gays ("the giver or the receiver"). Unless of course they... (this is where you wave your arms in the air vaguely) Correct me if I am wrong Gandalf. Thanks for your input Karnal. It's always refreshing to get a straight answer on what Muslims think.
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Reply #99 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:37pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

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His opinion is that it's not alright to kill gays ("the giver or the receiver").

Unless of course they...

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

...flaunt their homosexuality, mardis gras style (eg 'the people of Lot'). Is he the sort of Muslim you want to stand shoulder to shoulder with?

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

Thanks for your input Karnal. It's always refreshing to get a straight answer on what Muslims think.

No worries, FD, it's quite easy. I just read what they say.

You'd prefer to read what they don't say, no?

Questions questions.

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Reply #101 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:14pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:49pm:

Would you mind quoting Gandalf where he said it is not alright to kill gays?

He said it's not alright to kill gays for being gays, FD. If you're asking me if he said it's alright to kill gays who are trying to kill you, I can't really say.

Do you want to ask me another question on what Gandalf thinks?

We can keep this going for a few pages until G stops ignoring you.

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Reply #102 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 7:46am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:58pm:

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Hang on, isn't that as it should be? I thought it was all the fault of Islam - as such, isn't that Gandalf's get outta Gaol free card?

I agree Phem, you are very confused. Have you figured out yet who those Aussie Muslims would be raping and slaughtering if they were no Muslims?

But then....

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

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So, you do not support individuals being responsible for their own actions, decisions, words or errors?

Of course.

I am not the confused one FD, it's ok though, I should imagine cognitive dissonance is very confusing - I think you could find help with that if you asked.

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49402 At my desk.	Re: Moderate muslims beheading the french Reply #103 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 8:42am Have you figured out yet who those Aussie Muslims would be raping and slaughtering if they were no Muslims? Quote: He said it's not alright to kill gays for being gays, FD. Thanks for clarifying Karnal. Can you quote him?
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Reply #104 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:51am

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 8:42am:

Have you figured out yet who those Aussie Muslims would be raping and slaughtering if they were no Muslims?

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He said it's not alright to kill gays for being gays, FD.

Thanks for clarifying Karnal. Can you quote him?

From the same thread FD:

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And yet it wasn't a call to execute homosexuals. Why do you think he described them in the terms "doing as Lot's people did"? Do you think sodomy was unheard of in pre-islamic times that he had to make this reference? Do you think everyone at that time referred to sodomy as "doing as Lot's people did"? You demand a literal interpretation of the texts - well this is it - in literal terms, he is not calling for homosexuals to be executed, he is calling for people who did "as Lot's people did" to be executed - which included sodomy and debauchery, robbery, rape and generally flaunted God's laws. Its a whole package.

Would you agree thats saying its not alright to kill gays for being gays? Please, feel free to spin this quote beyond all meaning - we all know you want to.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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