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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #15 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:08am Or i wonder if FD will talk about the 10,000 christians murdered by the jews in 1948 on establishment of the jewish state.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #16 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:08am Whats funny is that for all the atrocities muslim terrorists commit, I don't recall ever hearing any of them justify their actions based on what Muhammad did to the Banu Qurayza.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #17 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:43pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:08am: Whats funny is that for all the atrocities muslim terrorists commit, I don't recall ever hearing any of them justify their actions based on what Muhammad did to the Banu Qurayza. Looks like FD is hiding.
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Reply #18 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

Treachery is not the right word.

The Jews, like Muslims, are God's chosen people remember.

Put in simple terms, they think they are better than everyone else.

issuevoter,

Moslems are dog-poo, under my shoe.

They are a faithless, treacherous people.

Moslems are INFIDELS.

Look in a dictionary, look up the meaning, of the word; infidelity. !!!

The moslem, has no integrity.

He is an INFIDEL!!!

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

ISLAM is a false religion, for a false people, for a false person.

ISLAM is well suited to those who declare themselves to be, 'moslem'.

God is clever.

Men are dumb.

God knows how to separate the sheep, from the goats.

He lets them self-select themselves, ....he lets all of the goats choose their own 'home'.

You have poo under your shoe,don't u clean them?

When is the last time u showered?

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Reply #19 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:40pm

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Lmao, FD is talking over a incident that happened 1400 years ago, i wonder if he will do the same for the thousands of palestinians slaughtered by the jews in palestine.

We are discussing something that is still happening today.

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Whats funny is that for all the atrocities muslim terrorists commit, I don't recall ever hearing any of them justify their actions based on what Muhammad did to the Banu Qurayza.

Being a Muslim you can take your pick from a long, grizzly list for motivations, guidance, and excuses. How should modern Muslims interpret this example for guidance?

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Reply #20 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm

FD you constantly hold the Banu Qurayza incident as *THE* ultimate example for muslims to follow. Surely it therefore wouldn't be difficult to find some terrorists citing that example as they lop people's heads off no?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:40pm:

How should modern Muslims interpret this example for guidance?

I think it follows a fairly universal "example" of treating the sort of treachery that creates an existential threat to society as amongst the most serious crimes a citizen could commit. Thats probably why the terrorists don't cite this when finding religious justifications for their atrocities - because its not a specifically "Islamic" thing.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #21 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm

How should modern Muslims interpret this example for guidance?

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FD you constantly hold the Banu Qurayza incident as *THE* ultimate example for muslims to follow.

No Gandalf. I hold it as an example of you using the Jewish borg theory to justify slaughtering innocent people in the name of the new Islamic state.

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Surely it therefore wouldn't be difficult to find some terrorists citing that example as they lop people's heads off no?

Sure. Let's start with Muhammed.

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I think it follows a fairly universal "example" of treating the sort of treachery that creates an existential threat to society

Can you give some examples of people slaughtering large numbers of innocent, unarmed people because they feel threatened by them?

How is it an existential threat to society? Muhamemd was the threat. He was trying to destroy the existing social structure and replace it with an Islamic state. He was kicking out (and now executing) any powerful groups that refused to accept his absolute power, at the same time as belligerently demanding Jews change their religion.

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Reply #22 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

FD you constantly hold the Banu Qurayza incident as *THE* ultimate example for muslims to follow. Surely it therefore wouldn't be difficult to find some terrorists citing that example as they lop people's heads off no?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:40pm:

How should modern Muslims interpret this example for guidance?

I think it follows a fairly universal "example" of treating the sort of treachery that creates an existential threat to society as amongst the most serious crimes a citizen could commit.

Thats probably why the terrorists don't cite this when finding religious justifications for their atrocities - because its not a specifically "Islamic" thing.

Undeniable moslem intentions, in the West.

Google;

Muslim Brotherhood in America, memo, sabotage, miserable house from within

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

QUESTION;
How can Australians ever have a peaceful relationship with 'Aussie' moslems, when the moslem community in Australia, hides a malevolent intent towards all Australians who are not moslems ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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QUESTION;
Is ISLAM and ISLAM's religious and cultural tenets, tolerant of democracy ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow a democratic form of government [i.e. a form of government which takes to itself, the authority to formulate laws for a society of people] ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow moslems to peacefully co-exist with [such] a democratic form of government ?

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #23 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: Can you give some examples of people slaughtering large numbers of innocent, unarmed people because they feel threatened by them? There are about a billion historical examples of people being executed for conspiring with the enemy. Thats why its not extraordinary.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #24 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm Can you cite some examples of people using your Jew borg theory to justify executing hundreds of people who were not directly involved in the conspiracy? What happened to your "refusal to disown" theory?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #25 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:34pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm: Can you cite some examples of people using your Jew borg theory to justify executing hundreds of people who were not directly involved in the conspiracy? You mean a state having enemy soldiers executed who were just following orders? Yes, FD, I believe I could find a couple.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #26 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:36pm They were not enemy soldiers. The vast majority of them never picked up a weapon, except to defend themselves in their own town. Keep trying. Please give one example that is actually similar.
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #27 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:46pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm: Can you give some examples of people slaughtering large numbers of innocent, unarmed people because they feel threatened by them? A good place one could start... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians
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Reply #28 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

They were not enemy soldiers

They were soldiers (all males of military age were by default soldiers) and the moment they conspired with the enemy, they became 'enemy soldiers'.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

Keep trying. Please give one example that is actually similar.

Would you like an example that was relatively so mild - or a more typical example - like mass slaughter of everyone - men, women and children? I believe the Old Testament has quote a catalogue of those.

Or if you want a more contemporary example, I could cite the 5000 or so Christians (men, women, children) slaughtered by jews in Yemen - just a few years before Muhammad's time.

But if you want an equivalent example of the confessed traitors getting a fair hearing, and judged according to their own laws, and given the opportunity to re-pledge their loyalty and be welcomed back into the state they betrayed, and have the women and children spared - you're right, I would be struggling to find such an equivalent. Rarely were the victors ever so generous.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #29 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 9:03pm

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They were soldiers (all males of military age were by default soldiers) and the moment they conspired with the enemy, they became 'enemy soldiers'.

Can you give some other examples of people being executed by default?

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But if you want an equivalent example of the confessed traitors getting a fair hearing, and judged according to their own laws, and given the opportunity to re-pledge their loyalty and be welcomed back into the state they betrayed, and have the women and children spared - you're right, I would be struggling to find such an equivalent. Rarely were the victors ever so generous.

Do you support this?

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But if you want an equivalent example of the confessed traitors getting a fair hearing

Can you give other examples where people consider it fair to be judged guilty by default?

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and given the opportunity to re-pledge their loyalty and be welcomed back into the state they betrayed

Can you quote the relevant bit?

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