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Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

All 800 of them? That's a big conspiracy Gandalf. Why is it that you previously argued that most of them deserved to die merely on account of them being part of that tribe of treacherous Jews?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The leaders conspired - yes.

The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

Muhammad learned his lesson when he let the other tribe who attacked him leave in good will - who then recommenced their war with him from their new base. There are only so many options for a fledgling and militarily vulnerable 7th century arabian leader desperately trying to stave off annihilation both from within and without.

What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded? Shook hands and said better luck next time? They had already tried to attack a part of the city where women and children had taken refuge - according to the Sealed Nectar. These were serious times FD - you don't play with kid gloves.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

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The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery.

How so?

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They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

So their crime was not actually treachery, but "declining to disown" the treachery of other Jews?

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Muhammad learned his lesson when he let the other tribe who attacked him leave in good will - who then recommenced their war with him from their new base.

Sounds like those Jews were ungrateful to Muhammed for letting them live. Luckily Muhammed wasn't fooled by Jewish trickery the next time hey? Of course, this has nothing at all to do with them being Jews.

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There are only so many options for a fledgling and militarily vulnerable 7th century arabian leader desperately trying to stave off annihilation both from within and without.

Of course. Wiping out Jews is perfectly understandable if it is done to establish an Islamic state, right? Especially when they are all guilty of declining to disown treachery.

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What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded?

No idea. I would have wanted Muhammed dead also. Any rational person would have. Having watched as Muhammed took over and the other two powerful Jewish tribes got kicked out of their homes by a crazy man who demands in the market place that the Jews acknowledge him as their prophet or face the same fate, they didn't have many options either. Did you know that the Jews also conspired against Hitler? No wonder he rounded them up.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 11:37am:

*yawn* - another tedious FD post that is duly ignored.

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

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To be honest I really can't figure out this position that refuses to acknowledge simple common decency to treat honest, law abiding muslims who claim to reject your version of the historical Muhammad (as well as Islamic doctrine) - as somehow deeply sinister and deceitful.

You don't reject it Gandalf. You agree with all the facts - including them being executed for being treacherous Jews. You merely try to put a positive spin on it.

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You cannot simultaneously hold two contradictory views

I believe he can Soren.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 6:34pm:

blah blah blah

you really expect me to trawl through all that tedious rubbish? Sympathies for spending all that time on a nonsense post that no one is going to read. Welcome to Yadda's world FD.

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Here is the short version:

So they were treacherous and they were Jews, but they were not treacherous Jews because that would be racist. They were of course, dead Jews, once Muhammed had his way with them. All 800 of them. And of course this has nothing to do with Muhammed becoming increasingly frustrated with the reluctance of Jews to convert to Islam, despite his sincere warnings to them of the dangers of remaining Jews. Nor does it have anything to do with them being the last remaining of 3 large Jewish tribes that stood between Muhammed and absolute power in Medina. Muhammed killed them for being treacherous. He could tell they were treacherous, because they were all members of the same group of treacherous Jews, which has nothing to do with them being Jews. Nothing at all. I can tell you are sneering right now. Stop sneering at me.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 7:49pm:

Sorry FD - I'm still reading "blah blah blah" - just in a much better format.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 5:00pm lol maybe there's someone besides FD who can be bothered to give this a moment's notice - but I highly doubt it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 5:03pm If you have nothing to say, why did you feel the need to post a response Gandalf?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #3 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 5:17pm nothing to say? Isn't that what you were doing by starting this thread? I guess I just took this for a "say nothing" thread. That was your intention right? I thought you were over these childish 'quote-dump' threads.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 5:23pm I didn't want to lose track of where we were up to in the discussion of this particular incident, as it was spread over a few threads. Plus I think this discussion has a long way to go.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #5 - Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:26pm Treachery is not the right word. The Jews, like Muslims, are God's chosen people remember. Put in simple terms, they think they are better than everyone else.
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Reply #6 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:36am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

Treachery is not the right word.

The Jews, like Muslims, are God's chosen people remember.

Put in simple terms, they think they are better than everyone else.

issuevoter,

You know your Bible! ....you atheist you! Grin

Isaiah 41:8
But thou, Israel, art my servant,

Jacob whom I have chosen

, the seed of Abraham my friend.

Isaiah 41:9
Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant;

I have chosen thee

, and not cast thee away.

Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant

whom I have chosen

: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 44:1
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel,

whom I have chosen

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Isaiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun,

whom I have chosen

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Isaiah 44:21
Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

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Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.

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Re: treacherous Jews
Reply #7 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:47am

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

Treachery is not the right word.

The Jews, like Muslims, are God's chosen people remember.

Put in simple terms, they think they are better than everyone else.

issuevoter,

Moslems are dog-poo, under my shoe.

They are a faithless, treacherous people.

Moslems are INFIDELS.

Look in a dictionary, look up the meaning, of the word; infidelity. !!!

The moslem, has no integrity.

He is an INFIDEL!!!

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

ISLAM is a false religion, for a false people, for a false person.

ISLAM is well suited to those who declare themselves to be, 'moslem'.

God is clever.

Men are dumb.

God knows how to separate the sheep, from the goats.

He lets them self-select themselves, ....he lets all of the goats choose their own 'home'.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #8 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 6:16pm How should modern Muslims interpret this example for guidance?
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #9 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 6:20pm many blessings re : treacherous ' jews ' to what jews does one refer to here the khazars ? either way they are the foundation for modern freemasonry which is in and itself a religion pushing the barrow of ancient jewish ideals idols and symbols this is forgiven and observed for what it is namaste - : ) =
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #10 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 6:29pm The ones that were executed were from the Banu Qurayza tribe.
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Re: treacherous Jews
Reply #11 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

issuevoter wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:

Treachery is not the right word.

The Jews, like Muslims, are God's chosen people remember.

Put in simple terms, they think they are better than everyone else.

issuevoter,

You know your Bible! ....you atheist you! Grin

The most unimaginative interpretation of human spirituality is the trichotomy: god-worshiper, agnostic, atheist.

Its usually accompanied by a lot of tripe out of ancient scripture from the Abrahamic tribes. (You know them, those lovely people the Muslims, Jews and Christians) They'd all cut your throat for the price of a bag of camel dung.

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #12 - Jun 30^th, 2015 at 10:54pm Any one who claims to be god's chosen people need to be watched carefully. A lot of bad things happen when you have god on your side.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96333	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #13 - Jul 1^st, 2015 at 12:18am freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 5:23pm: I didn't want to lose track of where we were up to in the discussion of this particular incident, as it was spread over a few threads. Plus I think this discussion has a long way to go. Sometimes a question is just a question. Isn’t it.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: treacherous Jews Reply #14 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:07am Lmao, FD is talking over a incident that happened 1400 years ago, i wonder if he will do the same for the thousands of palestinians slaughtered by the jews in palestine.
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