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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm
 
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A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???

having read the previous reports of the City of SYdney s abuse of power.... you will have noted this has been going on for years... Angry Angry
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Reply #16 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:41pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/city-of-sydney-email-highlights-parking-pain-of-clover-moores-ranger-unit/story-fnpn118l-1227425839065][/url]

A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???




I don't know, cods.

Is he a member of the union?

They can't act on his behalf if he isn't.

If it turns out that he isn't a union member, he can go to the Fair Work Ombudsman.

I've shown you the link before.


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Reply #17 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:49pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:41pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/city-of-sydney-email-highlights-parking-pain-of-clover-moores-ranger-unit/story-fnpn118l-1227425839065][/url]

A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???




I don't know, cods.

Is he a member of the union?

They can't act on his behalf if he isn't.

If it turns out that he isn't a union member, he can go to the Fair Work Ombudsman.

I've shown you the link before.





yes you have.. however I do not know the man personally .. but I would think all these rangers are in some union or other...and you claim you work in this area...then it saddens me you do not send someone to talk to these people and deal with this on going problem...

I am sorry greg...its you job to help these people not mine...I have no links or permission to talk to the workers where as the unions do have.......

get someone to Sydney to deal with something that is bad very bad....I dont understand why you expect me to do something....if I was in a union yes I would I would be on the doorstep.. how hard is it to find a parking ranger and get some details...if they are in a union whos job is it to set fire to their bums and tell them this has to stop....

ye gods you do have a problem sitting in front of a computer sending links to help dept......that obviously want to do everything from a sitting down position....

the fact that a man killed himself....isnt reason enough....

its shocking...if you are in a position to help then do it.. dont tell me to do it... you are in a far better place to help than I ever will be..... I am just highlighting the disgraceful way our workplace is going...and getting worse..........I tell you what it was never like this when I was in it full time... thats for sure.
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Reply #18 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:00pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:41pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/city-of-sydney-email-highlights-parking-pain-of-clover-moores-ranger-unit/story-fnpn118l-1227425839065][/url]

A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???




I don't know, cods.

Is he a member of the union?

They can't act on his behalf if he isn't.

If it turns out that he isn't a union member, he can go to the Fair Work Ombudsman.

I've shown you the link before.



yes you have.. however I do not know the man personally .. but I would think all these rangers are in some union or other...

What would make you think that?

The majority of Australians are not in unions.

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and you claim you work in this area...then it saddens me you do not send someone to talk to these people and deal with this on going problem...

Unions deal with bullying every single day of the week, cods.

They do their best to help these people.

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Reply #19 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:16pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 6:02pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/vic-libs-investigating-mp-for-bullying/story-fni0xqi3-1227421987799][/url]


A VICTORIAN Liberal MP who allegedly verbally abused and bullied another party member is being investigated.

UPPER house MP Inga Peulich allegedly abused a fellow Liberal party member at a post-election function in December, The Australian reported.

"After I returned to my seat, Inga walked to me and threatened me, saying "don't take the s*** out of your mouth. I warn you - don't s*** where you eat," The Australian reported the complainant saying.
The man, who did not want to be publicly identified, lodged a written complaint with the party.
Liberal Party state director Simon Frost said the allegations were being looked into.
"We are making further inquiries regarding the matters raised in the media this morning," Mr Frost said on Tuesday.


this is interesting I find .

they have an investigation into an MP bullying or being bullied....

yet the rest of us... are basically told to get on with it...

bullying is becoming a plague its driving people over the edge and more and more on sick leave....all because it isnt stamped out... like it should be..

zero tolerance....it cripples people....... and its at epidemic proportions...



as an example of bullying, it is rather lame.  it was some rude schmuck abusing someone.  Bullying is when it continues time and time and time again.

but just like every time we tackel any other social problem, the first thing we do is widen the definition as far as possible so as to totally destroy the meaning.  sexism, racism, child abuse...  they are all defined so broadly now that as stand-alone terms they are near worthless.  Now bullying is about to join the growing list of terms which on their own and with context, are meaningless.
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Reply #20 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:00pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:41pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/city-of-sydney-email-highlights-parking-pain-of-clover-moores-ranger-unit/story-fnpn118l-1227425839065][/url]

A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???




I don't know, cods.

Is he a member of the union?

They can't act on his behalf if he isn't.

If it turns out that he isn't a union member, he can go to the Fair Work Ombudsman.

I've shown you the link before.



yes you have.. however I do not know the man personally .. but I would think all these rangers are in some union or other...

What would make you think that?

The majority of Australians are not in unions.

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and you claim you work in this area...then it saddens me you do not send someone to talk to these people and deal with this on going problem...

Unions deal with bullying every single day of the week, cods.

They do their best to help these people.




not in this dept as far as I can see its been in the papers for awhile now... we all need to take a good look at this.. some folks think its the victims fault...I dont get that.
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longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:16pm:
as an example of bullying, it is rather lame



that is so not true... it was done in front of his peers..

just like the second example... 8 people received that email...

I am horrified that this type of abuse is now being looked at as lame...

for anyone who is humiliated with an audience... its anything but lame...lucky you you have never been in that position I wouldnt wish it on anyway...

its a power thing that says I AM BETTER THAN  YOU... never forget that...how dare anyone treat someone else like that knowing full well that person cannot do a thing about it...

its cruel.
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Reply #22 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:00pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:41pm:
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/city-of-sydney-email-highlights-parking-pain-of-clover-moores-ranger-unit/story-fnpn118l-1227425839065][/url]

A CITY of Sydney parking ranger has been reprimanded for not issuing enough fines in a humiliating and demeaning email that was copied to eight of his colleagues.

The ranger, who appears to have been deliberately singled out for ridicule, was warned by a team leader that his fellow workers were into double figures for fines issued in March, while he had issued only one.

Parking rangers were told by the same team leader, via a group email in April, that their lack of fines would be considered in their next performance review — pressuring staff into issuing more, despite City of Sydney’s policy of having no quotas or targets for the number of fines rangers must issue.

The fresh evidence of poor management practices within the City’s dysfunctional ranger unit emerged as it was confirmed that the suspected suicide death of City parking ranger Leong Lim, 62, had been referred to WorkCover



so what are the Unions doing about this then greg???




I don't know, cods.

Is he a member of the union?

They can't act on his behalf if he isn't.

If it turns out that he isn't a union member, he can go to the Fair Work Ombudsman.

I've shown you the link before.



yes you have.. however I do not know the man personally .. but I would think all these rangers are in some union or other...

What would make you think that?

The majority of Australians are not in unions.

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and you claim you work in this area...then it saddens me you do not send someone to talk to these people and deal with this on going problem...

Unions deal with bullying every single day of the week, cods.

They do their best to help these people.




not in this dept as far as I can see its been in the papers for awhile now... we all need to take a good look at this.. some folks think its the victims fault...I dont get that.



Just because it's been going on for awhile, that doesn't mean that something isn't being done about it.

Moreover, if they aren't union members the union can't help.

That's not a cop out - it's the law.

And, it's not the victims' fault - ever!
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Reply #23 - Jul 3rd, 2015 at 7:33pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:16pm:
as an example of bullying, it is rather lame



that is so not true... it was done in front of his peers..

just like the second example... 8 people received that email...

I am horrified that this type of abuse is now being looked at as lame...

for anyone who is humiliated with an audience... its anything but lame...lucky you you have never been in that position I wouldnt wish it on anyway...

its a power thing that says I AM BETTER THAN  YOU... never forget that...how dare anyone treat someone else like that knowing full well that person cannot do a thing about it...

its cruel.


thats not bullying. it is abuse and humiliation.  we have all these different words for a reason.  Having seen you inability to understand 'range of offence', I can see why you find 'range of meaning' so difficult.
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Reply #24 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 7:01am
 
When I was the shop steward for SDA I was forever warning the managers and supervisors to lay off the abuse.

There's nothing more humiliating for a 15 or 16 year old to get severely chastised in front of their peers and customers.

After I left the job, all the staff involved ( including the manager) got sacked or sent to another store.

Verbal bullying should not be tolerated in any workplace.

Some unions are good at outlawing abuse in the workplace, others are useless. It depends a lot on your union rep, if they're slack you have to go over their head.
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Reply #25 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:10am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:16pm:
cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 6:02pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/vic-libs-investigating-mp-for-bullying/story-fni0xqi3-1227421987799][/url]


A VICTORIAN Liberal MP who allegedly verbally abused and bullied another party member is being investigated.

UPPER house MP Inga Peulich allegedly abused a fellow Liberal party member at a post-election function in December, The Australian reported.

"After I returned to my seat, Inga walked to me and threatened me, saying "don't take the s*** out of your mouth. I warn you - don't s*** where you eat," The Australian reported the complainant saying.
The man, who did not want to be publicly identified, lodged a written complaint with the party.
Liberal Party state director Simon Frost said the allegations were being looked into.
"We are making further inquiries regarding the matters raised in the media this morning," Mr Frost said on Tuesday.


this is interesting I find .

they have an investigation into an MP bullying or being bullied....

yet the rest of us... are basically told to get on with it...

bullying is becoming a plague its driving people over the edge and more and more on sick leave....all because it isnt stamped out... like it should be..

zero tolerance....it cripples people....... and its at epidemic proportions...



as an example of bullying, it is rather lame.  it was some rude schmuck abusing someone.  Bullying is when it continues time and time and time again.

but just like every time we tackel any other social problem, the first thing we do is widen the definition as far as possible so as to totally destroy the meaning.  sexism, racism, child abuse...  they are all defined so broadly now that as stand-alone terms they are near worthless.  Now bullying is about to join the growing list of terms which on their own and with context, are meaningless.


Utter tosh...

Bullying is about power and control, so a demeaning letter/email from a BOSS is in fact, bullying, there is a power imbalance. I realise you may not recognise things being unbalanced though....
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Reply #26 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:14am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 7:01am:
When I was the shop steward for SDA I was forever warning the managers and supervisors to lay off the abuse.

There's nothing more humiliating for a 15 or 16 year old to get severely chastised in front of their peers and customers.

After I left the job, all the staff involved ( including the manager) got sacked or sent to another store.

Verbal bullying should not be tolerated in any workplace.

Some unions are good at outlawing abuse in the workplace, others are useless. It depends a lot on your union rep, if they're slack you have to go over their head.



that what I am saying to greg .. he is the one that doesnt understand....UNIONS should be collective on this one...and to believe parking rangers do not belong to a union is a bit of a stretch.....sorry greg... but they are working for a COUNCIL a big council...

this isnt going to go away overnight.. everyone knows that..

what I am saying is its getting worse.. people are dragging themselves into work.. they are being humiliated or ignored day after day...

I do appreciate Unions are trying... but for gods sake get on them all on the  same PAGE with this...

as we know the list is getting longer.....you put in a complaint and you go to the bottom of the list......

some of what some are putting up with is no better than stand over men threatening and intimidating....

as a human race we are definitely losing what separates us from vultures..
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Reply #27 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:20am
 
Cods, I suspect you won't like my point of view on this, but, none the less here we go....

To my mind, this is part of the end result of the systematic white anting, undermining and dismantling of the union movement.

It seems to have escaped you that if these people are not union members then quite simply the union cannot help them by law. A further point to that is this, the union should not help them either. Those paid up union members, particularly the ACTIVE ones are not in a financial position to carry the load for those who do not pay their union fees for whatever reason. That is simply inequitable.

NO bullying is wrong and yes bullying should be stamped out and addressed without pause.

That said, it is not simply a UNION issue and it is patently erroneous to simply use a case of bullying to slag of at the union movement. The Union movement presently is hardly a UNITED bunch of workers - it is, sadly, more often than not a dodgy organisation managed from afar that receives money from a bunch of, mostly, disinterested people who believe that the money they pay entitles them to some kind of magical protection. Being a Union member rather involves being pro active. Further, the union is not a separate thing to your work, it is either part of your work or you are fooling yourself thinking you have protection....

The other problem is, bullying is a management problem as well.

If there is a culture of bullying in any work place, then that has either been allowed to develop out of managerial ignorance or facilitated by managerial design. Either way, bullying does not occur because of the union movement in a work place nor is the union movement solely responsible for addressing it.

Workers need to get back to the very basics of looking out for each other. A line from a very recent mental health promotion springs to mine, workers need to adopt the "I've got your back" mentality and, until they do, it will be workers with minimal resources vs the MAN with more resources and, isolated from any form of unionised help, protection or support.
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Reply #28 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 7:01am:
When I was the shop steward for SDA I was forever warning the managers and supervisors to lay off the abuse.

There's nothing more humiliating for a 15 or 16 year old to get severely chastised in front of their peers and customers.

After I left the job, all the staff involved ( including the manager) got sacked or sent to another store.

Verbal bullying should not be tolerated in any workplace.

Some unions are good at outlawing abuse in the workplace, others are useless. It depends a lot on your union rep, if they're slack you have to go over their head.


Only in part Pansi, and right there is part of the problem with the modern trade union movement.

It actually mostly depends on the membership, they are the union - we seem to have simply forgotten this aspect.
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Reply #29 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 8:10am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3rd, 2015 at 6:16pm:
cods wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 6:02pm:
[urlhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/vic-libs-investigating-mp-for-bullying/story-fni0xqi3-1227421987799][/url]


A VICTORIAN Liberal MP who allegedly verbally abused and bullied another party member is being investigated.

UPPER house MP Inga Peulich allegedly abused a fellow Liberal party member at a post-election function in December, The Australian reported.

"After I returned to my seat, Inga walked to me and threatened me, saying "don't take the s*** out of your mouth. I warn you - don't s*** where you eat," The Australian reported the complainant saying.
The man, who did not want to be publicly identified, lodged a written complaint with the party.
Liberal Party state director Simon Frost said the allegations were being looked into.
"We are making further inquiries regarding the matters raised in the media this morning," Mr Frost said on Tuesday.


this is interesting I find .

they have an investigation into an MP bullying or being bullied....

yet the rest of us... are basically told to get on with it...

bullying is becoming a plague its driving people over the edge and more and more on sick leave....all because it isnt stamped out... like it should be..

zero tolerance....it cripples people....... and its at epidemic proportions...



as an example of bullying, it is rather lame.  it was some rude schmuck abusing someone.  Bullying is when it continues time and time and time again.

but just like every time we tackel any other social problem, the first thing we do is widen the definition as far as possible so as to totally destroy the meaning.  sexism, racism, child abuse...  they are all defined so broadly now that as stand-alone terms they are near worthless.  Now bullying is about to join the growing list of terms which on their own and with context, are meaningless.


Utter tosh...

Bullying is about power and control, so a demeaning letter/email from a BOSS is in fact, bullying, there is a power imbalance. I realise you may not recognise things being unbalanced though....



I was about to say something similar....longy and I never agree on anything... which is fine

but how anyone can call this anything other than bullying I do not know....

some people do not deal with POWER correctly....they forget how to treat others.....you could almost call it a form of domestic violence....work place violence if you like...

there is NO EXCUSE for it...my daughter was humiliated in front of her peers at a meeting.. by the so called manageress.......she almost went into shock.......I wouldnt wish it on anyone....

they are cowards..all of them...and I keep saying it GETTING WORSE....


I do not have a problem understanding BULLYING Mr Longweekend.....

maybe the fact you usually have some demeaning  put down in your replies to others....

.gives me a good example of why you think being humilated in front of people... has nothing to do with BULLYING.
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