Cods, I suspect you won't like my point of view on this, but, none the less here we go....

To my mind, this is part of the end result of the systematic white anting, undermining and dismantling of the union movement.

REALLY

It seems to have escaped you that if these people are not union members then quite simply the union cannot help them by law. A further point to that is this, the union should not help them either. Those paid up union members, particularly the ACTIVE ones are not in a financial position to carry the load for those who do not pay their union fees for whatever reason. That is simply inequitable.

NOTHING HAS ESCAPED ME....IF YOU CARE TO GO BACK TO REPLY 7 YOU WILL FIND IT WAS GREG THAT BROUGHT THE UNION IN...

NOT MYSELF...

I DO NOT BELIEVE A GROUP WORKING FOR THE LARGEST COUNCIL IN THE COUNTRY...THE CITY OF SYDNEY.. DO NOT BELONG TO A UNION...



NO bullying is wrong and yes bullying should be stamped out and addressed without pause.

That said, it is not simply a UNION issue and it is patently erroneous to simply use a case of bullying to slag of at the union movement. The Union movement presently is hardly a UNITED bunch of workers - it is, sadly, more often than not a dodgy organisation managed from afar that receives money from a bunch of, mostly, disinterested people who believe that the money they pay entitles them to some kind of magical protection. Being a Union member rather involves being pro active. Further, the union is not a separate thing to your work, it is either part of your work or you are fooling yourself thinking you have protection....

The other problem is, bullying is a management problem as well.

IT IS THE MANAGEMENT THAT IS DOING THE BULLYING....

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THEY ARE CALLED.'TEAM LEADERS' THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PROMOTED BY PEOPLE HIGHER UP.. THE PEOPLE WITH POWER..



If there is a culture of bullying in any work place, then that has either been allowed to develop out of managerial ignorance or facilitated by managerial design. Either way, bullying does not occur because of the union movement in a work place nor is the union movement solely responsible for addressing it.

Workers need to get back to the very basics of looking out for each other. A line from a very recent mental health promotion springs to mine, workers need to adopt the "I've got your back" mentality and, until they do, it will be workers with minimal resources vs the MAN with more resources and, isolated from any form of unionised help, protection or support.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 6:16pm:


Utter tosh...

Bullying is about power and control, so a demeaning letter/email from a BOSS is in fact, bullying, there is a power imbalance. I realise you may not recognise things being unbalanced though....

and we widen the meaning of 'bullying' just a bit more.  it is so easy to do.  IN an attempt to be inclusive, you include every behaviour that is inappropriate and call it one word.  ever hear of 'intimidation'.

i think sometimes political correctness is born largely out of a very poor vocabulary that has to use the 8 words they know to describe everything.

cods wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:



They can only investigate if a union member complains to them.

18% is the national average.

We don't know the percentage of rangers who are members - it could be 0%

If a union member complains, then the unions step in.

They're helping people with bullying claims every single day of the week.

If nobody in the workplace is a union member, they are powerless (by law).

However, there is always the FWO.

again I am not saying it up to the UNIONS....but who else has the access to people in this situation when it comes to work.....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:56am:



I DO GET THAT GREG   and repeating it over and over again doesnt change a thing...

sorry its you that bring the unions into this.. yet you never explain how or what they are doing to prevent it..

so its your word........ok..

if the union were so concerned wouldnt they investigate a place even if it only had 18% signed up.... if they were really trying to stamp something out.....that is what I am saying.. it isnt just for UNIONS to b e involved with unionists.. this is something we all need to take an interest in....someone killed himself doesnt that ring any alarms somewhere??? it seems not.. because nothing has changed in the City of Sydneys council....

you seem to be like phem.. point the finger at the messenger.......I thin k we can do better greg I think we all can...



and very little of that is given on here.....in fact if you really read what some on here print up you will also find there is an element of bullying in that.. after all everything is read by everyone isnt it.....

and some of the stuff is spiteful and mean and causes pain to someone...

everyone knows.. that there is a protocol that we have to go through now....I am sure  the man that committed suicide would have done everything in his power to it stopped...written to the right people... called the right phone numbers....spoke to the right people....yet nothing happened the same people were in the same positions dishing out the same disrespect...

we all have seen what happens to whistleblowers....

I am disgusted with the way things appear to be going in this country of all places....and NO I AM NOT HOLDING THE UNIONS AS RESPONSIBLE.. despite what you think.