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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #30 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:00pm:

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Nationalism has no place in islam.

Muhammed built a nation.

That's what Islam is.

Exactly so.

Dictionary;
ummah = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

Every moslem understands that the 'moslem nation' is not a nation that is contained by borders.

The 'moslem nation' is the community and nation that he [identifies with, and] belongs to, until death.

"Muslims are one ummah (community)

to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

To the moslem [whether he is Shia, or, Sunni] the ummah, is 'the nation' of moslems - no matter where on earth those moslems [those moslem communities] may reside.

Google;

no-go areas, non-muslims, europe

Dictionary;
ummah = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

Dictionary;
Islam = = the religion of the Muslims, a monotheistic faith regarded as revealed through Muhammad as the Prophet of Allah.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #31 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:05pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

"Muslims are one ummah (community)

to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

To the moslem [whether he is Shia, or, Sunni] the ummah, is 'the nation' of moslems - no matter where on earth those moslems [those moslem communities] may reside.

Google;

no-go areas, non-muslims, europe

no-go areas, non-muslims, europe

Supporting evidence....

Belgium - Militant Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0

[must see] Muslims conquer Europe, French people have had enough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eABe3HNTK0

Violence, threats, intimidation - Europe under siege by Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSEbBzZ8rg

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #32 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:41pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

And so all Muslims must pay for all eternity for that crime, Soren? Roll Eyes

Until they utterly repudiate it - yes, they should be made to pay for that crime. No free pass for Nazis.

Funny you should therefore adopt the same tactics as the Nazis had with their anti-Semitism in blaming modern Jews for the death of Christ, Soren... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Brain Ross. A complete idiot.

As long as Muslims endorse Mohammed's murders as the actions of the best of all men who has ever lived, yes, Muslims DO carry that burden of responsibility. What the hell did you expect, lunatic?

Thanks for your usual return to ad hominem, Soren. I was missing it. Roll Eyes

Oh, and before I forget, you are engaging in anti-Semitism, you realise? Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Brain, Muslims are not a race.

Where did I suggest they were, Soren? Roll Eyes

You're the one who treats the religious group as a "race", Soren. As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as "races". There is only one "race", the human one. We are all members of it (well, nearly all of us, I have my doubts about Sprint and Yadda). Wink

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #33 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

And so all Muslims must pay for all eternity for that crime, Soren? Roll Eyes

Until they utterly repudiate it - yes, they should be made to pay for that crime. No free pass for Nazis.

Funny you should therefore adopt the same tactics as the Nazis had with their anti-Semitism in blaming modern Jews for the death of Christ, Soren... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Brain Ross. A complete idiot.

As long as Muslims endorse Mohammed's murders as the actions of the best of all men who has ever lived, yes, Muslims DO carry that burden of responsibility. What the hell did you expect, lunatic?

Thanks for your usual return to ad hominem, Soren. I was missing it. Roll Eyes

Oh, and before I forget, you are engaging in anti-Semitism, you realise? Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Brain, Muslims are not a race.

Where did I suggest they were, Soren? Roll Eyes

You're the one who treats the religious group as a "race", Soren.

highlighted for ya. Easy to miss in your two line post, Brain.

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #34 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

It is reasonable for muslims worldwide to follow Mecca time during Ramadan IMO.

Whoa! Hang on!!

Are you suggesting that Mohammed, the best of man and the messenger of God, no less, had no idea that the earth is spherical and if Islam i spreads by the sword to cover the planet, as he most certainly wanted it to, he had no idea that the faithuthful will have months of daylight up near the arctic?

You are not saying that he didn't know something and therefore his ruling is wrong???? Coz if he is wrong here, where else is he wrong?

Islam is unreformable insofar as overruling Mohammed. Once you start, it will not end except when it a;ll collapses as a deeply contradictory thing it is.
And as the whole of Islam rests on what Mohammed said and did, reforming it means diggging its grave. THAT he knew probably more than anyone.

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #35 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

And so all Muslims must pay for all eternity for that crime, Soren? Roll Eyes

Until they utterly repudiate it - yes, they should be made to pay for that crime. No free pass for Nazis.

Funny you should therefore adopt the same tactics as the Nazis had with their anti-Semitism in blaming modern Jews for the death of Christ, Soren... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Brain Ross. A complete idiot.

As long as Muslims endorse Mohammed's murders as the actions of the best of all men who has ever lived, yes, Muslims DO carry that burden of responsibility. What the hell did you expect, lunatic?

Thanks for your usual return to ad hominem, Soren. I was missing it. Roll Eyes

Oh, and before I forget, you are engaging in anti-Semitism, you realise? Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Brain, Muslims are not a race.

Where did I suggest they were, Soren? Roll Eyes

You're the one who treats the religious group as a "race", Soren.

highlighted for ya. Easy to miss in your two line post, Brain.

Semitic is a cultural grouping, composed of descendants of the ancient Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabic peoples, Soren. Remember, I don't believe in the concept of "race" as used by Racists? There is only one race, the human one. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #36 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

And so all Muslims must pay for all eternity for that crime, Soren? Roll Eyes

Until they utterly repudiate it - yes, they should be made to pay for that crime. No free pass for Nazis.

Funny you should therefore adopt the same tactics as the Nazis had with their anti-Semitism in blaming modern Jews for the death of Christ, Soren... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Brain Ross. A complete idiot.

As long as Muslims endorse Mohammed's murders as the actions of the best of all men who has ever lived, yes, Muslims DO carry that burden of responsibility. What the hell did you expect, lunatic?

Thanks for your usual return to ad hominem, Soren. I was missing it. Roll Eyes

Oh, and before I forget, you are engaging in anti-Semitism, you realise? Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Brain, Muslims are not a race.

Where did I suggest they were, Soren? Roll Eyes

You're the one who treats the religious group as a "race", Soren.

highlighted for ya. Easy to miss in your two line post, Brain.

Semitic is a cultural grouping, composed of descendants of the ancient Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabic peoples, Soren. Remember, I don't believe in the concept of "race" as used by Racists? There is only one race, the human one. Roll Eyes

Showing off your useless little learning.

How is a dislike of Islam and Mohammed's teachings antisemitic, Brain?

By your stupid reckoning dislike of Nazism is simply an anti-white stance or not accepting Buddhism is anti-Asian.

The Rousseau of Ozpolitic is correct. Rousseau was a quarrelsome, paranoid, delusional compulsive onanist.
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=zItn2J-JWV0C&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=instead+of...

You have the same manias as him.

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #37 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 5:33pm:

It is reasonable for muslims worldwide to follow Mecca time during Ramadan IMO.

Isn't this a ridiculous bronze age superstition, adopted by medieval Arabs?

And shouldn't your fasting be a matter between you and Allah, rather than you and your beady eyed Muslim neighbour?

What is Allah going to do if you do not fast EXACTLY between sunrise and sunset? Smite you?

The ludicrous literalism of Islam demonstrates that it is the creation of a semi-literate meshuggeh.

This insistance on a stupid rule shows just how unreceptive Muslims are to reason - they are super-rationalists (adhering to the black letter of the law) and have minimal ability to see purpose, aim, design. There is no reasoning in Islam to find anew way, there is only rationalising the stupid old dogma that way invented by a semi-literate meshuggeh.

It's all a colossal misunderstaning and if you look at the faces of people who are taken in by it - the Elomars and Sharoufs of this world, and the Middlle Eastern Imams here and across the world - you see just how dreadfully and dangerously stupid it all is.

Interesting that you'd use a Jewish word, Soren... Roll Eyes

Is it, my know-bugger-All little interlocutor?

Yes. Nothing wrong with using it, I just find it interesting, Soren. You appear to have a problem with me noting it for some reason.

The Jews laughed t him and called him a meshuggeh when he wanted to sign them up to his 'revelation'.

SO he killed them all. ANd had the 'revelation' that all Jews must be killed in order for Islam to rule the world.

So the eternal revelation was first to convert the Jews and then when they laughed at him, it was revealed by Allah that they all should be killed.

Allah is all knowing, eh?

A very dangerous meshuggeh.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49400 At my desk.	Re: A good news Muslim story Reply #38 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:01pm Quote: Islam is unreformable insofar as overruling Mohammed. Once you start, it will not end except when it a;ll collapses as a deeply contradictory thing it is. In the treacherous Jews thread Gandalf is dropping vague hints that Muhammed may have "erred".
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: A good news Muslim story Reply #39 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm Once the revision starts, the whole edifice of Islam will collapse, like the Berlin Wall. Islam is an intellectually indefensible creed. You cannot reason your way to Islam.
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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #40 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Once the revision starts, the whole edifice of Islam will collapse, like the Berlin Wall.

Islam is an intellectually indefensible creed. You cannot reason your way to Islam.

Then why hasnt it collapsed?

The pagans, idol worshippers and jews couldnt even defeat Mohamed and his 50 followers.

Even when Mohamed was outnumbered 5 to 1 he couldnt be defeated.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49400 At my desk.	Re: A good news Muslim story Reply #41 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:04pm I spoke to soon. He has chosen to ignore. Instead, he is liberating himself.
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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #42 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

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Islam is unreformable insofar as overruling Mohammed. Once you start, it will not end except when it a;ll collapses as a deeply contradictory thing it is.

In the treacherous Jews thread Gandalf is dropping vague hints that Muhammed may have "erred".

That is shocking!!!

And i had always regarded gandalf as devout, and, pure.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #43 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 5:30am

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Islam is an intellectually indefensible creed.

Sadly, it's also morally bankrupt as no other religion.

Its moral influence upon its congregation is negligible, with the result that Muslim immigrants to Britain, Australia, and Canada show a high percentage of criminality, incarceration, high unemployment, welfare rorting, threats of violence, rape, etc etc.

In other words the percentage of human vermin that has arrived with Muslim immigration is WAY beyond that brought in by other, non-Muslim, minority ethnicities.

Canada:

“Unemployment is stubbornly high among Muslims,” said Nabil Harfoush of the Dawn Foundation in presenting the report. “Some 13.9 per cent of Muslims were unemployed in 2011, as compared with the national average of 7.8 per cent.”

“All visible minorities which share ethnicities and cultures with Muslims and probably studied at the same universities fare much better than Muslims with an unemployment rate of 9.9 per cent.”

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And then we have Muslim Community leaders in Canada expressing outrage that an initiative to de-radicalise potential terrorists might be targetting only Muslims to be put through this program ...

The childishly petulant denials that violent radicalism is currently exclusive to Islam, and hence the youth of immigrant Muslim communities needs special preventive attention - is quite breath-taking -- and lacks honesty and moral fibre in their 'leaders'.

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Re: A good news Muslim story
Reply #44 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2015 at 7:56pm:

And so all Muslims must pay for all eternity for that crime, Soren? Roll Eyes

Until they utterly repudiate it - yes, they should be made to pay for that crime. No free pass for Nazis.

Funny you should therefore adopt the same tactics as the Nazis had with their anti-Semitism in blaming modern Jews for the death of Christ, Soren... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Brain Ross. A complete idiot.

As long as Muslims endorse Mohammed's murders as the actions of the best of all men who has ever lived, yes, Muslims DO carry that burden of responsibility. What the hell did you expect, lunatic?

Thanks for your usual return to ad hominem, Soren. I was missing it. Roll Eyes

Oh, and before I forget, you are engaging in anti-Semitism, you realise? Roll Eyes

Bollocks, Brain, Muslims are not a race.

Where did I suggest they were, Soren? Roll Eyes

You're the one who treats the religious group as a "race", Soren.

highlighted for ya. Easy to miss in your two line post, Brain.

Semitic is a cultural grouping, composed of descendants of the ancient Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabic peoples, Soren. Remember, I don't believe in the concept of "race" as used by Racists? There is only one race, the human one. Roll Eyes

Showing off your useless little learning.

How is a dislike of Islam and Mohammed's teachings antisemitic, Brain?

Because you fail to differentiate between the religion and it's practitioners, Soren. Roll Eyes

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By your stupid reckoning dislike of Nazism is simply an anti-white stance or not accepting Buddhism is anti-Asian.

No, anti-Naziism (please note the double "i", Soren, if you wish to be syntactically correct), is a dislike of a political ideology. Islamophobia is an unreasoning fear of Islam and Muslims. Roll Eyes

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