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Reply #60 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 9:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 12:43pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 12:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 12:25pm:
No, anti-Naziism (please note the double "i", Soren, if you wish to be syntactically correct), is a dislike of a political ideology.   Islamophobia is an unreasoning fear of Islam and Muslims.    Roll Eyes

Islam is also a political ideology, you pedantic fool.


Islam is a religion, Soren.   

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Islam (/ˈɪslɑːm/;[note 1] Arabic: الإسلام‎, al-ʾIslām IPA: [ælʔɪsˈlæːm] ( listen)[note 2]) is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur'an, a religious text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Allāh), and, for the vast majority of adherents, by the teachings and normative example (called the sunnah, composed of accounts called hadith) of Muhammad (c. 570–8 June 632 CE), considered by most of them to be the last prophet of God. An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim (sometimes spelled "Moslem").[1]

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Islamism, OTOH:
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Islamism (Urdu: اسلام پرستی‎; Arabic: إسلاموية‎‎), also known as Political Islam, is a set of ideologies holding that "Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life".[1]

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Therefore you have some Muslims who believe in Islam who do not necessarily believe in Islamism, Soren.   This has been explained, I am sure, many times before.   You however, appear unable or unwilling, because of your Islamophobia to make the differentiation...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



By that definition every practicing Muslim is an Islamist because they all have Islam as their guide to life and politics.


Which definition, I gave two, Soren.

Also, you're assuming that all Muslims are 100% observant in their devotions and duties.  Why?   Most Christians aren't.  Why would all Muslims be?   You'd never have this:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/Q83Eba.jpg

Or this:

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If all Muslims were 100% committed to their faith.

You have erected this monolithic stereotype in the mind, Soren and that is the only place it exists.  Time to get out there are talk to some real Muslims for a change.   They are a mixed bunch, some go to Mosque, the majority don't.    Roll Eyes

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Which is my point.


Your only point is Islamophobia, Soren.    Roll Eyes



Here, the 487th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.
You are both deluded and superfluous: they have left Islam already so they do not need you, of all people, to be their defenders. You keep surprsing me at every turn - you are thicker and more po-faced and irrelevant than I have imagined.







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Reply #61 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 9:41pm
 
He is worried they might become collateral damage and have their delicate feelings hurt.
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Reply #62 - Jul 5th, 2015 at 11:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Which is my point.


Your only point is Islamophobia, Soren.    Roll Eyes


Here, the 487th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.


Sure, Soren, the problem is you make absolutely NO differentiation when you attack Muslims all the time.  You attack them for their beliefs, their practices and above all else because of your unreasoning fear of them, which is as we have amply demonstrated time after time, Islamophobia.   I am completely at a loss why you and the other Islamophobes here fear Muslims or Islam to the point where you have to persecute it's believers.    Roll Eyes

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You are both deluded and superfluous: they have left Islam already so they do not need you, of all people, to be their defenders. You keep surprsing me at every turn - you are thicker and more po-faced and irrelevant than I have imagined.


They have left Islam?  Why do they call themselves Muslims then, Soren?

You're like the Serbs of the last Balkan wars.  You create a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than look at reality.  You remember events of 1400 years ago as if they were yesterday.  Indeed, yesterday is today to you, Soren in a sad, sick sort of way.   Time you let Muslims and Islam go and just got on with the rest of your life rather dwelling on the imaginings of your Islamophobia all the time.     Roll Eyes

I don't doubt that you will come back with your usual torrent of ad hominem attacks, Soren.  You always do.   You're predictable in that way.  Even Herbie is at least funnier than you 'cause I know he isn't serious in his trolling.  You, you're deadly serious.   Your sad, Soren.     Roll Eyes
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Reply #63 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:44am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 11:48pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:22pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Which is my point.


Your only point is Islamophobia, Soren.    Roll Eyes


Here, the 487th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.


Sure, Soren, the problem is you make absolutely NO differentiation when you attack Muslims all the time.  You attack them for their beliefs, their practices and above all else because of your unreasoning fear of them, which is as we have amply demonstrated time after time, Islamophobia.   I am completely at a loss why you and the other Islamophobes here fear Muslims or Islam to the point where you have to persecute it's believers.    Roll Eyes

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You are both deluded and superfluous: they have left Islam already so they do not need you, of all people, to be their defenders. You keep surprsing me at every turn - you are thicker and more po-faced and irrelevant than I have imagined.


They have left Islam?  Why do they call themselves Muslims then, Soren?

You're like the Serbs of the last Balkan wars.  You create a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than look at reality.  You remember events of 1400 years ago as if they were yesterday.  Indeed, yesterday is today to you, Soren in a sad, sick sort of way.   Time you let Muslims and Islam go and just got on with the rest of your life rather dwelling on the imaginings of your Islamophobia all the time.     Roll Eyes

I don't doubt that you will come back with your usual torrent of ad hominem attacks, Soren.  You always do.   You're predictable in that way.  Even Herbie is at least funnier than you 'cause I know he isn't serious in his trolling.  You, you're deadly serious.   Your sad, Soren.     Roll Eyes

Here, the 488th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

There's your differentiation, for the 4588th time.

Now memorise it.
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Reply #64 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 12:31pm
 
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I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.


And they have no quarrel with you. But Brian does, on behalf of all those who have no interest in what he is saying. It is all he can do, given he does not allow himself the right or even ability to criticise those who do have an interest. It is his mission to ensure that people who aren't interested don't inadvertently become part of the debate through his own efforts to include strippers in the debate.
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Reply #65 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 3:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 12:31pm:
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I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.


And they have no quarrel with you. But Brian does, on behalf of all those who have no interest in what he is saying. It is all he can do, given he does not allow himself the right or even ability to criticise those who do have an interest. It is his mission to ensure that people who aren't interested don't inadvertently become part of the debate through his own efforts to include strippers in the debate.



"You simply do not understand just how Islamophobic that is, FD.  Roll Eyes"





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Reply #66 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 4:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5th, 2015 at 11:48pm:
You're like the Serbs of the last Balkan wars.  You create a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than look at reality.




It was the Bosnian war criminal Naser Oric who started that war by provoking the Serbs,when the Serbs responded to muslim aggression the butthurt muslims claimed they were the victims in a conflict they started.
www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=naser+oric+war+criminal

A Bosnian Jihad nasheed video with allahu akbars and English subtitles,even has references to the war they started.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #67 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 7:53pm
 
How convenient to ignore the thousands of Muslims who were killed by the Serbs Baron.  Anybody could take you for an Islamophobe, the way you try and apportion blame for the Mosques destroyed, the villages ethnically cleansed and the Muslims murdered.  You're just a wonderful person.   You know that?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #68 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 8:04pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 7:53pm:
How convenient to ignore the thousands of Muslims who were killed by the Serbs Baron.  Anybody could take you for an Islamophobe, the way you try and apportion blame for the Mosques destroyed, the villages ethnically cleansed and the Muslims murdered.  You're just a wonderful person.   You know that?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

It's OK to resist and kill Muslims when they are the aggressors, you know. They have no special pass for conquering and transgressing with impunity.

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Reply #69 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:44am:
Here, the 488th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

There's your differentiation, for the 4588th time.

Now memorise it.


However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #70 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:44am:
Here, the 488th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

There's your differentiation, for the 4588th time.

Now memorise it.


However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes



Here, the 489th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

If you don't practice it, you are not taking it seriously.

Only a fool like you needs that spelled out after every sentence.

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Reply #71 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:04pm:
Here, the 489th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously. 


So you do have a quarrel with muslims who do take Islam seriously - no exceptions?
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #72 - Jul 7th, 2015 at 10:55pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:44am:
Here, the 488th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

There's your differentiation, for the 4588th time.

Now memorise it.


However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes



Here, the 489th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

If you don't practice it, you are not taking it seriously.

Only a fool like you needs that spelled out after every sentence.



However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 9:52am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:11pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:04pm:
Here, the 489th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously. 


So you do have a quarrel with muslims who do take Islam seriously - no exceptions?



I am happy for them to stay in their Muslim countries and make a go of their societies along Islamic lines.
But I also think that Islam is incompatible with Western social norms and customs and values. So if they are here and take Islam seriously, then there may well be an argument.

One of the  important Western values is not to submit to dogma but to be won over by reason. Islam doesn't have reason on its side, only stern dogma expecting submission. A quarrel is inevitable - and has been going on for 140 years between Islam and the West.



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Reply #74 - Jul 8th, 2015 at 4:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 10:55pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 7th, 2015 at 9:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 11:35pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:44am:
Here, the 488th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

There's your differentiation, for the 4588th time.

Now memorise it.


However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes



Here, the 489th time, Brain - I have NO quarrel with anyone who doesn't take Islam seriously.  You are a complete idiot for imagining that you of all people are standing up for Muslims who themselves do not take Islam seriously enough to bother with its teachings.

If you don't practice it, you are not taking it seriously.

Only a fool like you needs that spelled out after every sentence.



However, while you mouth your platitudes, Soren here, in every other thread and even on earlier pages of this one, you make no effort to differentiate between the lax, the mainstream and the extremists who each in turn believe in very different versions of Islam.   To you, they are all just "Muslims"...   Roll Eyes

They are making the differentiation themselves, Brain. You know, if the cap fits, wear it.
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