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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21678 A cat with a view	Re: leftists support homicidal 'moderates' Reply #15 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:42pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:33pm: The same way people claim to be Christian yet never go to church. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/0#0
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Re: leftists support homicidal 'moderates'
Reply #16 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:06pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

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The moderates are not homicidal, you'd know about it if they were, there'd be heads hacked off left, right and centre.

Interesting dichotomy their pansi.

Homicidal does not have to mean stupid and self destructive. Islam supposedly forbids Muslims from starting a fight they cannot win.

Are you suggesting that you would support anyone, no matter how objectionable their political views, so long as they stop short of personally killing people this instant?

I'm a peaceful person, I don't support violence of any sort whether it be with Rastifarians, Christians, Athiests or Muslims.

The last thing I'd want to do is get mixed up in some crazy religious argument, in my opinion, they're all nuts, but I still believe you can follow Islam without committing murder and mayhem.

Yes I'd hate for you to have to take a stance on quarrelsome religious issues like whether to execute gays. Much better to cover your eyes and convince yourself they are moderates, because they have not yet chopped your head off.

Tell me Pansi, were you this keen to defend frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics prior to the current season of Islamic terrorism, or did you only realise they were your friends afterwards?

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Re: leftists support homicidal 'moderates'
Reply #17 - Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

The same way people claim to be Christian yet never go to church.

That's silly talk.

You don't have to go anywhere near a church to follow the teachings of Christ.

You claim to go to church but you don't follow the teachings of Christ.

the Bible (and the teachings of Christ) would say different. You dont really know the teachings of Jesus other than a smattering of the well-known and easy-to-handle ones.

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Reply #19 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:24am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

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The moderates are not homicidal, you'd know about it if they were, there'd be heads hacked off left, right and centre.

Interesting dichotomy their pansi.

Homicidal does not have to mean stupid and self destructive. Islam supposedly forbids Muslims from starting a fight they cannot win.

Are you suggesting that you would support anyone, no matter how objectionable their political views, so long as they stop short of personally killing people this instant?

I'm a peaceful person, I don't support violence of any sort whether it be with Rastifarians, Christians, Athiests or Muslims.

The last thing I'd want to do is get mixed up in some crazy religious argument, in my opinion, they're all nuts, but I still believe you can follow Islam without committing murder and mayhem.

Yes I'd hate for you to have to take a stance on quarrelsome religious issues like whether to execute gays. Much better to cover your eyes and convince yourself they are moderates, because they have not yet chopped your head off.

Tell me Pansi, were you this keen to defend frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics prior to the current season of Islamic terrorism, or did you only realise they were your friends afterwards?

Don't you think, considering how many Muslims there are in the world, that if all of these people were war mongering, intolerant or blood thirsty, we would be seeing a hell of a lot more blood letting?

The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and i would go so far as to say the entire world) are not "frothing at the mouth", nor do the want to execute gays and lesbians (thought i'd throw the lesbian thing in because everybody seems to forget lesbians when arguing for rights).

You've been hoodwinked by a noisy and dedicated minority. Isn't it tiresome to keep on believing 'they' are all out to get you?

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Reply #20 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:02am

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Don't you think, considering how many Muslims there are in the world, that if all of these people were war mongering, intolerant or blood thirsty, we would be seeing a hell of a lot more blood letting?

Most of them realise they would lose if they did. Abu for example was supportive of war mongering in the name of establishing an Islamic state. But he was clever enough to realise he couldn't just start shooting random people. He did however believe that if there was an Islamic State under attack, he would be duty-bound to go and fight for it. I haven't heard from him in a while.

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The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and i would go so far as to say the entire world) are not "frothing at the mouth", nor do the want to execute gays and lesbians (thought i'd throw the lesbian thing in because everybody seems to forget lesbians when arguing for rights).

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about lesbians. How do you know what the majority of Muslims think? The surveys I am aware of show some very backwards views among the worlds Muslims that are attributable to the influence of Islam.

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You've been hoodwinked by a noisy and dedicated minority.

Being shot by a minority does not hurt and less than being shot by a majority. It does not take a majority to destroy democracy and human rights.

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Isn't it tiresome to keep on believing 'they' are all out to get you?

If you have that much trouble figuring out what I believe, despite me telling you directly, I doubt your ability to gauge what the majority of Muslims believe.

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Reply #21 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 9:03am

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Don't you think, considering how many Muslims there are in the world, that if all of these people were war mongering, intolerant or blood thirsty, we would be seeing a hell of a lot more blood letting?

Most of them realise they would lose if they did. Abu for example was supportive of war mongering in the name of establishing an Islamic state. But he was clever enough to realise he couldn't just start shooting random people. He did however believe that if there was an Islamic State under attack, he would be duty-bound to go and fight for it. I haven't heard from him in a while.

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The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and i would go so far as to say the entire world) are not "frothing at the mouth", nor do the want to execute gays and lesbians (thought i'd throw the lesbian thing in because everybody seems to forget lesbians when arguing for rights).

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about lesbians. How do you know what the majority of Muslims think? The surveys I am aware of show some very backwards views among the worlds Muslims that are attributable to the influence of Islam.

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You've been hoodwinked by a noisy and dedicated minority.

Being shot by a minority does not hurt and less than being shot by a majority. It does not take a majority to destroy democracy and human rights.

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Isn't it tiresome to keep on believing 'they' are all out to get you?

If you have that much trouble figuring out what I believe, despite me telling you directly, I doubt your ability to gauge what the majority of Muslims believe.

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Reply #22 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 10:48am

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

Don't you think, considering how many Muslims there are in the world, that if all of these people were war mongering, intolerant or blood thirsty, we would be seeing a hell of a lot more blood letting?

The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and i would go so far as to say the entire world) are not "frothing at the mouth", nor do the want to execute gays and lesbians (thought i'd throw the lesbian thing in because everybody seems to forget lesbians when arguing for rights).

You've been hoodwinked by a noisy and dedicated minority.

Isn't it tiresome to keep on believing 'they' are all out to get you?

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Yeah, why would anyone think that 'Aussie' moslems are anything but our genial co-citizens, here in Australia ??? !!!!! Shocked

REASON #1;

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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REASON #2;

'ISIS', is already here within Australia;

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"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM.

The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle....."

WATCH THE YT VIDEO, to get an understanding of how 'Aussie' moslems are conducting themselves behind closed doors!!

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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Behind closed doors,    many imam's who are living in the West, are constantly advising members of their community, that moslems must reject Western values, rules, and laws.    !!!

For example;    Watch this advice being given,    watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque
on YT

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

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REASON #3;

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Re: leftists support homicidal 'moderates'
Reply #23 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:00am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

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The moderates are not homicidal, you'd know about it if they were, there'd be heads hacked off left, right and centre.

Interesting dichotomy their pansi.

Homicidal does not have to mean stupid and self destructive. Islam supposedly forbids Muslims from starting a fight they cannot win.

Are you suggesting that you would support anyone, no matter how objectionable their political views, so long as they stop short of personally killing people this instant?

I'm a peaceful person, I don't support violence of any sort whether it be with Rastifarians, Christians, Athiests or Muslims.

The last thing I'd want to do is get mixed up in some crazy religious argument, in my opinion, they're all nuts, but I still believe you can follow Islam without committing murder and mayhem.

Yes I'd hate for you to have to take a stance on quarrelsome religious issues like whether to execute gays. Much better to cover your eyes and convince yourself they are moderates, because they have not yet chopped your head off.

Tell me Pansi, were you this keen to defend frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics prior to the current season of Islamic terrorism, or did you only realise they were your friends afterwards?

I'm not defending any frothing at the mouth lunatics as far as I know. I've got Muslim friends and they have assured me that my head is quite safe and strangely enough, I believe them.

I fear germs and Tony Abbott more than Muslims.

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Reply #24 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:33am

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I'm not defending any frothing at the mouth lunatics as far as I know.

Of course. That is the point. You deliberately remain ignorant so you can maintain a facade of unity. To you, unity is more important than challenging those who say, promote the execution of gays.

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I've got Muslim friends and they have assured me that my head is quite safe and strangely enough, I believe them.

You are setting the bar pretty low here pansi. Suppose they consider your head to be safe because you are not a homosexual and do not criticise Muhammed. Or because Australian law prevents them from following their religion to the full extent. If it was a non-Muslim with such objectionable views, you would rightly condemn them. But because it is a Muslim, the 'even worse' ones somehow force you to take the side of the 'bad' ones.

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Reply #25 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:06pm

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

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I'm not defending any frothing at the mouth lunatics as far as I know.

Of course. That is the point. You deliberately remain ignorant so you can maintain a facade of unity. To you, unity is more important than challenging those who say, promote the execution of gays.

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I've got Muslim friends and they have assured me that my head is quite safe and strangely enough, I believe them.

You are setting the bar pretty low here pansi. Suppose they consider your head to be safe because you are not a homosexual and do not criticise Muhammed. Or because Australian law prevents them from following their religion to the full extent. If it was a non-Muslim with such objectionable views, you would rightly condemn them. But because it is a Muslim, the 'even worse' ones somehow force you to take the side of the 'bad' ones.

I hereby publicly announce that I am not threatened by Muslims, gays, terrorists or boat people.

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Reply #27 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

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The moderates are not homicidal, you'd know about it if they were, there'd be heads hacked off left, right and centre.

Interesting dichotomy their pansi.

Homicidal does not have to mean stupid and self destructive. Islam supposedly forbids Muslims from starting a fight they cannot win.

Are you suggesting that you would support anyone, no matter how objectionable their political views, so long as they stop short of personally killing people this instant?

Obviously they haven't been taking any notice of Islam on that count for a few centuries have they? Grin

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Reply #28 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:11pm

I never saw the textual justification for that one. I think that Muhammed's military success left Islamic ideology devoid of any way of handling military defeat. They know how to win, but not to lose. Thus the history of Islam is an empire that kept expanding until it was too big to manage given the technology of the time, then collapsed and kept collapsing until they were the arse end of the world. All they know how to do is keep fighting, and talking up their great military victories.

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Reply #29 - Jul 5^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

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The moderates are not homicidal, you'd know about it if they were, there'd be heads hacked off left, right and centre.

Interesting dichotomy their pansi.

Homicidal does not have to mean stupid and self destructive. Islam supposedly forbids Muslims from starting a fight they cannot win.

Are you suggesting that you would support anyone, no matter how objectionable their political views, so long as they stop short of personally killing people this instant?

I'm a peaceful person, I don't support violence of any sort whether it be with Rastifarians, Christians, Athiests or Muslims.

The last thing I'd want to do is get mixed up in some crazy religious argument, in my opinion, they're all nuts, but I still believe you can follow Islam without committing murder and mayhem.

Yes I'd hate for you to have to take a stance on quarrelsome religious issues like whether to execute gays. Much better to cover your eyes and convince yourself they are moderates, because they have not yet chopped your head off.

Tell me Pansi, were you this keen to defend frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics prior to the current season of Islamic terrorism, or did you only realise they were your friends afterwards?

Don't you think, considering how many Muslims there are in the world, that if all of these people were war mongering, intolerant or blood thirsty, we would be seeing a hell of a lot more blood letting?

The vast majority of Muslims in this country (and i would go so far as to say the entire world) are not "frothing at the mouth", nor do the want to execute gays and lesbians (thought i'd throw the lesbian thing in because everybody seems to forget lesbians when arguing for rights).

You've been hoodwinked by a noisy and dedicated minority. Isn't it tiresome to keep on believing 'they' are all out to get you?

Over 400 million radical & fundamentalist Muslims globally aren't a minority.....

that's more than the entire population of the USA.

So that's just a poor assumption on your part.

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