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Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian
Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:32pm
 

The charge for the Christian is,      1/ Love God,      2/ Keep his commandments



longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

The same way people claim to be Christian yet never go to church.




We have no power, to choose God.

It is God who chooses us.

A person is not accepted of God, because a person attends a [particular] church, or not.

We are accepted of God, when we love God, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd!    ....and obey him.


John 12:42
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43  For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.


Psalms 73:1
Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.


Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.


Revelation 17:14
....they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.



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Those who love God, and obey his commandments, are accepted of God.

Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.


Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3  He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.


1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 


Love God....
Keep his commandments...




Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exodus 34:6
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7  Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10  And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Deuteronomy 7:12
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

1 Kings 8:23
And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Psalms 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.


Is it evil, to seek God ?

Many men, are of the opinion, that it is both futile and worthless.

That, is their choice.




How do men seek God ?

How do men get close, to a Holy God ?


Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

How do men 'approach' the holiness, of a Holy God ?



God, is purity of purpose.

What is God's purpose ?



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Reply #2 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:24pm
 

"Going to church does not make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car."

- Billy Sunday

John 4:24            James 4:4,8            1 John 2:15            John 8:23            Romans 8:14,15

Read God's word.


One must choose a side.
....and not choosing, is also choosing!

Choosing to avoid a difficult moral choice [because it is too 'uncomfortable' for you, or because it may make you unpopular among men],
....is still making a choice!


Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3  He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.



Quote:

Approval of people or approval of God?
   The non-Christian seeks the approval of people, the Christian
   seeks the approval of God.
....
   The Christian.....knows that "friendship of the world is enmity
   with God"; that one can't be friends with everyone; that one
   cannot have the true friendship and approval of those who hate
   God and are in enmity with him and also of God himself; that
   one must indeed choose a side.  And so he chooses unreservedly
   God's side, chooses to go God's way, to stand uncompromisingly
   for God's principles and precepts no matter what the price
   might be in social approval, friendships, etc.; he chooses a
   course of honesty, integrity, goodness and strict morality (in
   speech and conduct) no matter how unpopular those things may
   be, no matter how much he may be ridiculed, scoffed at, laughed
   at, talked about, and ostracized; no matter how lonely a road
   it may prove to be for him.


http://solitaryroad.com/a227.html





Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.


John 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.


John 12:43
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
...
8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.


1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Come out of what ?

Babylon, a 'whore' ?

'Babylon' represents INFIDELITY, loving 'the world'.

It is a state of mind,       ....which permits and allows the perverse and the unjust to flourish, and a state of mind which rails against accountability [righteous judgement against wrongdoing].

Being tolerant of what the ungodly tolerate, is NOT a Christian virtue.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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"YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON"


Matthew 6:19
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20  But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
24  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


Luke 16:10
He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11  If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12  And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
13  No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
14  And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.

n.b.
"...the Pharisees....who were covetous"


Dictionary;
Mammon = = wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship (taken by medieval writers as the name of the devil of covetousness).


Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.



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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:25pm
 
what does god say about helping your fellow man when he needs it?
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Reply #5 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:25pm:
what does god say about helping your fellow man when he needs it?




Yes.

We should help our fellow man, whenever we can.

But not when doing so is, or will, facilitate a great evil and wickedness among us.




Jesus [the man] obeyed THE LAW OF GOD.

Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man.


What does the law of God say about helping your enemy ?


Exodus 23:4
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.
5  If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.


Matthew 18:15
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16  But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


Again, Jesus [the man] obeyed THE LAW OF GOD.


Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.


Matthew 22:35
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36  Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.




Should we give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ?

No.

Why not ?


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda




Why so ?


Why should we NOT, NOT, NOT, give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ?



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IMAGE....
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Johnsmith,

Why should we NOT, NOT, NOT, give sanctuary, in Australia, to moslems ?

If you can't work it out,        ....that all moslems are the UNREPENTANT enemies of our my God, then i am sorry for you.

A Christian, should separate himself from those who follow ISLAM, imo.

Am i mistaken ?

I guess in time, we will all find out, won't we.



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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:04pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:25pm:
what does god say about helping your fellow man when he needs it?




Yes.

We should help our fellow man, whenever we can.

But not when doing so is, or will, facilitate a great evil and wickedness among us.




Jesus [the man] obeyed THE LAW OF GOD.

Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man.


What does the law of God say about helping your enemy ?



Exodus 23:4
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.
5  If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.






Proverbs 2:9
Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path.


Proverbs 2:20
That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.


Proverbs 4:11
I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.


Proverbs 8:20
I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:


Proverbs 12:28
In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.



2 Chronicles 19:1
And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem.
2  And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.


Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

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Reply #7 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
We should help our fellow man, whenever we can.

But not when doing so is, or will, facilitate a great evil and wickedness among us.


Which verse were you thinking of that justifies this Yadda?  I'm not familiar with it.

Also feel free to answer my questions to you on the historicity of the exodus in the other thread Wink
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Reply #8 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:55pm:
We should help our fellow man, whenever we can.

But not when doing so is, or will, facilitate a great evil and wickedness among us.




Which verse were you thinking of that justifies this Yadda?  I'm not familiar with it.




I was thinking of the many verses in scripture which call on God's people to [try to] remain holy and separate.


Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30  Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.


What did those nations do, that was so abhorrent to God ?

They were a culture that did everything which God hated, including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.



Leviticus 20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
23  And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.


Leviticus 20:24
...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.


Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.




"...And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation......"
Exodus 19:5-8



But, this does not apply to [early] Christians ?????

Because they are under a new covenant ?????





1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2  And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3  And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5  But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6  Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7  Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8  Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9  Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10  Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11  Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
.....
11  The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.





Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

Also feel free to answer my questions to you on the historicity of the exodus in the other thread Wink



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Reply #9 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
I was thinking of the many verses in scripture which call on God's people to [try to] remain holy and separate.


Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
They were a culture that did everything which God hated, including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.


God specifically commanded the Israelites to do all these things, so I don't think that could be the reason.

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Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
I was thinking of the many verses in scripture which call on God's people to [try to] remain holy and separate.


Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

They were a culture that did everything which God hated
,

including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.



God specifically commanded the Israelites to do all these things,

so I don't think that could be the reason.




Yeah,     God commanded the Israelites,      to do all the things which God hated.

Cheesy

Stratos,

You ought to get a job as a speech writer,   ...for a pollie!       Smiley





Stratos,

God is holy, and pure.

But our God is still a judge of the wicked and those who hate him.

Do you struggle with 'holy, and pure', and, a judge of wrongdoers ?

So, so, pure.



Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.



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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:31pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Yeah,     God commanded the Israelites,      to do all the things which God hated.


You said that God hated the following things:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.


But that is exactly what God commanded the Israelites to do on multiple occasions.  Who is more weak or innocent than a baby?

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Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


By the same token, what did those animals do to deserve anything?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2015 at 11:02am
 
Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:31pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Yeah,     God commanded the Israelites,      to do all the things which God hated.


You said that God hated the following things:

Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.


But that is exactly what God commanded the Israelites to do on multiple occasions.  Who is more weak or innocent than a baby?

Quote:
Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey


By the same token, what did those animals do to deserve anything?




Stratos,

OK, i'll play.


here......

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1441760279/0#0


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian
Reply #13 - Sep 9th, 2015 at 5:31pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:42pm:
Stratos wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 2:38pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:
I was thinking of the many verses in scripture which call on God's people to [try to] remain holy and separate.


Yadda wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

They were a culture that did everything which God hated
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including the murderer, of the innocent and weak.



God specifically commanded the Israelites to do all these things,

so I don't think that could be the reason.




Yeah,     God commanded the Israelites,      to do all the things which God hated.

Cheesy

Stratos,

You ought to get a job as a speech writer,   ...for a pollie!       Smiley





Stratos,

God is holy, and pure.

But our God is still a judge of the wicked and those who hate him.

Do you struggle with 'holy, and pure', and, a judge of wrongdoers ?

So, so, pure.



Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.





What is holy and pure about killing children?

Lets look at how holy and pure he is

Infanticide

1 Samuel 15:3: God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants.  This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

Psalms 135:8 & 136:10: Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies

Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.

The murder of children

Judges 11:30-40: Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9: “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.  Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

Exodus 12:29: God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh.  And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place.

2 Kings 2:23-24: The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head.  The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name.  Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them.

Isaiah 13:15-18: If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.

Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.




What a loving and pure god!
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Reply #14 - Sep 9th, 2015 at 11:10pm
 



Raven,

I can really see, that you are a person who is searching for truth.

http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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