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Reply #30 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

I believe in God its about the only rational thing that makes sense to me compared to the big bang, worms, apes and monkeys.

Yes, making a person from a rib is entirely rational.

If the Lord made the universe making a woman from a man's rib couldn't be that hard....???

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Reply #31 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:50pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

ou still never really answer the question though do you. If the Bible is the true word of God and has to be followed at all costs, you can't pick and choose which laws you like and which you dont

There are only two things you have to do and I wrote them above, that is what Jesus said do them and the ten commandments will be in tack.

Don't forget man had a big hand in what went into the bible.

For example no where does Jesus say that priests should not marry, this is a man made thing.

Another the orthodox believe that you must fast before communion and try and cleanse your body and soul so you can be pure.

But Jesus in the last supper when he introduced communion to his disciples, they had lamb.

There are also many many other laws man has passed onto man.

Jesus never said any of these things, only the two above.

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Reply #32 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:05pm

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Do you eat seafood Yadda?

Stone your kids?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

You still never really answer the question though do you.

If the Bible is the true word of God and has to be followed at all costs,

you can't pick and choose which laws you like and which you dont.

Of course i can. !!!!

That is the whole point of our existence here.

God himself, gives us the right to choose, to make choices, ....every day!

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

We know [in our conscience] what is right and what is wrong.

Romans 1:19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Myself ?

I will be judged.

By my God.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #34 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:13am

Ajax wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

I believe in God its about the only rational thing that makes sense to me compared to the big bang, worms, apes and monkeys.

Yes, making a person from a rib is entirely rational.

If the Lord made the universe making a woman from a man's rib couldn't be that hard....???

Could be, except theres no external evidence of the woman making thing take place.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #35 - Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:14am

Ajax wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:28pm:

ou still never really answer the question though do you. If the Bible is the true word of God and has to be followed at all costs, you can't pick and choose which laws you like and which you dont

There are only two things you have to do and I wrote them above, that is what Jesus said do them and the ten commandments will be in tack.

Don't forget man had a big hand in what went into the bible.

For example no where does Jesus say that priests should not marry, this is a man made thing.

Another the orthodox believe that you must fast before communion and try and cleanse your body and soul so you can be pure.

But Jesus in the last supper when he introduced communion to his disciples, they had lamb.

There are also many many other laws man has passed onto man.

Jesus never said any of these things, only the two above.

Man was the only hand.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #36 - Mar 19^th, 2016 at 11:48am

|dev|null wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Yadda, do you describe yourself as a "Christian"?

Do you follow the tenants of the Christian religion 100% ALL of the time?

Just wonderin' how you justify your hatred of Muslims, in the face of Christ's command to "love thy neighbour"...

Me, a "Christian" ?

'Christian' is such pejorative term today, don't you think ?

I mean, just ask any moslem or political leftist or journalist or media 'personality' or 'man in the street'!

But dev|null,

If there is a God, do you believe that God is very concerned with how i 'label' myself ?

For example, if i 'labeled' myself as a 'moslem', do you believe that God would be very impressed ?

QUESTION;
What did Paul/scripture suggest, about those who were concerned, with being 'recognised' as being a 'Jew' ?    [....i.e. concerned about their social/cultural status]

Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR

Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I am at peace.

I try to treat everyone i meet, in the same way.

Without prejudice.

Dictionary;
prejudice = = preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.    unjust behaviour formed on such a basis.

The word prejudice implies pre-judging some issue/person,    .....while being in a condition of ignorance.

But, if i should come to certainly know that someone [or some group of people] holds a malicious, and a criminal, and a violent intent, towards myself, and/or towards those i care about,       .....then my conviction is, that i will be justified, in trying to frustrate their intent.

"Conviction is the art of being certain"

the current sig line of NorthOfNorth, helian.

Because if i were to silently allow such a malicious and a criminal intent to flourish, ....i would to judged [by my own conscience] to be complicit, with those who were seeking to destroy the general peace [of society], which surrounds me.

And that would be a very irrational, and insane position to support, imo.

And that [my] complicity would be a serious crime, imo.

FURTHER;

How can i say that i love God, and love my neighbour,

....if i choose to be silent, and to tolerate and sanction the criminal intentions of moslems, in their intentions of murder, deceit, and intimidation, in the pursuit of their malicious and criminal aims ?

But, in saying that;
If i could see, that to obey the law, were my enemy's clear intent, .....and if my enemy did not display any intent, of murder, deceit, and intimidation, then i will love him as i would love all other men.

But i did not find that man.

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IMAGE....

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Reply #37 - Mar 19^th, 2016 at 11:49am

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST.....

IF I LOVE GOD;

In God's law, there is no respect for persons. "....for [God] maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

If i was the governing authority, and my enemy was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder.

If i was the governing authority, and my neighbour was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder.

If i was the governing authority, and my brother [in blood, or faith] was a murderer, i would seek to execute him for that murder.

But, i am very different from 'the moslem'.

I am at peace.

As i said, in God's law, there is no respect [in law] for persons [i.e. for 'who' a person is].

e.g.
Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. [see also Deuteronomy 1:17, and Deuteronomy 16:19 ]

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

In God's law, there is no respect [in law] for persons [i.e. for 'who' a person is].

ISLAM cannot make such a claim for Sharia law.

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Contrasting with ancient Hebrew law,

   ....ISLAM declares that there is absolutely no equality before the law, for a moslem and a disbeliever.    !!!!!

To ISLAM, such a notion is absurd.

A point of difference in ISLAMIC law
A non-moslem man may not give evidence in a Sharia court, against a moslem.    And in fact, such an occurrence would be unlawful!!
....because such a circumstance, if permitted would upset the natural order of things;       ...Being that, the 'rightly guided' moslem, is [always] an innocent person before Allah's law. And the disbeliever, is from among the guilty people. Always.
....and, because the testimony of every non-moslem is considered to be worthless/untrustworthy.
....therefore the testimony of the non-moslem, is considered ineligible, as lawful testimony against any moslem.

A disbeliever [who rejects ISLAM] is always a guilty person, ...a person who deserves death.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

AN EXAMPLE OF THE MOSLEM INTENT, ....IN LAW;

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Reply #39 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 8:09pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 19^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Oh Jesus, more telephone books from Yadda.

Do not take the Lord's name in vain! You are the type of person who lets your cow work on Sundays.

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Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

I always give my maid servant and my cows the day off on Sundays.

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Reply #40 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:37pm

John_Taverner wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 8:09pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 19^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Oh Jesus, more telephone books from Yadda.

Do not take the Lord's name in vain! You are the type of person who lets your cow work on Sundays.

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Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

I always give my maid servant and my cows the day off on Sundays.

Holy cow!

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Reply #41 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

OK so if I choose not to follow any of Gods laws thats ok too.

Apparently you fall foul of the usual religious loophole. The god botherers get to choose which are core commandments, and which are just suggested reading.

(Usually dependent upon what they think they can get away with demanding, politically, at the time.)

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Reply #42 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 11:14pm

boxy wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

OK so if I choose not to follow any of Gods laws thats ok too.

Apparently you fall foul of the usual religious loophole. The god botherers get to choose which are core commandments, and which are just suggested reading.

(Usually dependent upon what they think they can get away with demanding, politically, at the time.)

That is right, of course.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #43 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:10pm

boxy wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:34pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 10:12am:

OK so if I choose not to follow any of Gods laws thats ok too.

Apparently you fall foul of the usual religious loophole. The god botherers get to choose which are core commandments, and which are just suggested reading.

(Usually dependent upon what they think they can get away with demanding, politically, at the time.)

In my own experience they tend to pick the rules that suit their own personal morality. Same as everyone else except they also choose to wear a cloak of piety and enlightenment. Shocked

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