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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Reply #45 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:07pm What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour, yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".
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Reply #46 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

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What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour,

.....yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".

Really ?

Your assertion is not confirmed, .....in how i have always addressed the issue of other peoples belief(s), here on OzPol.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412086346/27#27
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Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.

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bobby,

Believe whatever you want to believe.

That is what this game is about.

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Yadda said....
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Taipan,

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

We all do.

I know that i do.

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But you believe whatever you want to believe muso.

And i will too.

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Amadd,

#1....
The fact is, that i am happy for you [and for people like you] to believe whatever you want to believe.

I believe something different, from most people.

My experience is that.....

What i believe, doesn't have very much value [to others], and trying to explain why i 'believe' [in a reality that differs from what most of us see] is futile,
.....so i am happy to revert to #1.

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nail,

I am happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

I've made my choice.

And you have made yours.

I can live with that.

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Yadda said....
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Grey,

Believe whatever you want to believe.

That is the essential difference between my belief, and what moslems believe.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #47 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

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What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour,
.....yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".

Really ?

Your assertion is not confirmed, .....in how i have always addressed the issue of other peoples belief(s), here on OzPol.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412086346/27#27
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Really, i'm happy for you to believe whatever you want to believe.

Believe what you will.

We all do.

Oh yeah, you say that regularly, but then continue on to condemn others for their moral choices, at great length. Hell, just look at your thread titles in this board, telling us that god hates us, and bemoaning our wickedness for not conforming to your handpicked quotes from the bible (most seeming to come from the old testament... home of the more murderous, torturing and genocidal deity).

It's quite obvious that "happy" is not a good description of your attitude to other people's moral choices.

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Reply #49 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

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Morning Prayer

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Dear Lord,
So far I've done all right.
I haven't gossipped, haven't lost my temper, haven't been greedy, grumpy, nasty, selfish, or overindulgent.
I'm really glad about that.

But in a few minutes, God, I'm going to get out of bed.
And from then on, I'm going to need a lot more help.

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Reply #50 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 2:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:

Jesus commandments are very hard to follow.

They read 'nicely' and easily.

Try putting it into effect though and the world rises up against you.

I've failed many many times.

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Luke 18:1
And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #51 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:52am

A few thoughts on, ".....the Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

".....the Israel of God."

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1 Corinthians 6:12
(12) All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

The apostle Paul tells us in Romans 14:23, “Whatever is not from faith is sin.” This indicates that there is more to Christian living than merely following rules. It is key for a Christian to understand the principles involved in God's laws, not just the letter-of-the-law wording.

.....We are free-moral agents, in other words. We can make our own decisions. We can sin, if we wish to, but there are consequences. Paul says he refuses to let “anything have power over me.” He implies that he keeps a close watch on his thoughts and actions.

.....It seems that, as we grow in the faith, gray areas disappear, and the line becomes clearer. Satan and his world, on the other hand, are busy blurring the lines, trying to make us feel guilty or prudish if we judge something to be sin and choose not to participate.

source is The Berean Daily Verse and Comment, Google

In an ancient time, being 'accounted' as a member of the 'congregation' of 'Israel' was recognised as a unique designation, attributed to an individual.

Today ?

Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Jeremiah 9:25
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

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Matthew 10:31
......ye are of more value than many sparrows.

".....the Israel of God."

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Psalms 73:1
Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.

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God bless Israel, and the Jewish people.

Numbers 22:12
And God said unto Balaam..... thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #52 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:55am

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What is true Christianity?

What is true Christianity? To me true Christianity is defined
by the teachings that one finds in the gospels and epistles of
the New Testament. No more and no less than that.
Specifically, it does not include bodies of tradition, custom,
belief and dogma that have been added on by various churches
over the centuries. I don't consider these add-ons as
authentic, trustworthy or a valid part of Christianity. True
Christianity is about love of God and following in his way as
taught by Jesus and his apostles. You learn what it is by
reading from the source documents themselves (i.e. the books of
the New Testament) --- and not by reading books or
commentaries about Christianity, or listening to people or
institutions purporting to tell you what Christianity is.

Christianity is concerned with personal conduct, and at a more
basic level, with values, attitudes, outlooks and beliefs. It
tells us how we are supposed to behave, especially how we are
supposed to conduct ourselves toward other people, and what
kinds of attitudes we are supposed to carry towards them.
Christianity is about living in a certain way. It is about
changing yourself --- living by a higher law. It is not about
changing the conduct of other people or trying to force them to
live by your rules as some seem to think. It is not about
social or political activism. Social and political activism
come from a completely different, non-Christian, philosophy
with its own assumptions. Christianity is not about social
engineering or redistributing wealth --- taking from the rich
and giving to the poor.

Christianity is a body of values, outlooks and attitudes
characterized by love of God, fear of God, piety, goodness,
humility, meekness, temperance, self-denial, kindness,
peaceableness, integrity, morality, chastity, purity, justness,
uprightness and faith. It is the rejection of the "natural
man" for a "higher man". It is a rejection of the "way of the
world" for the "way of God".

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http://www.solitaryroad.com/a827.html

Well said James.

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Yadda Gold Member Online Posts: 21679 A cat with a view	Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Reply #53 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:57am The world ['reality'], as we are experiencing it today..... It is all a coincidence..... ?? http://blog.therefinersfire.org/2016/03/a-message-for-atheists.html
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Reply #54 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Raven wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2016 at 5:09am:

What a load of s.hit Yadda

Gotta say your God has an awesome PR agent. Something good happens its gods will. Something bad happens, well he works in mysterious ways.

Religion is all very fine so long as it is being preached from an Ivory Tower to a passive, receptive, and unquestioning audience, but the moment it becomes the subject of discussion and debate - that's when the whole Wishful Thinking house of cards collapses in upon itself with its endless contradictions, its feeble rationalisations, its irrationality on points of commonsense and the Laws of Physics, and its sheer pie-in-the-sky delusional ravings.

I lost my religious belief in a merciful and benign god when as a young teenager I became aware of the millions who died in the Nazi holocaust with no sign of a Divine Intervention to be seen anywhere.

Since Year One, religion has been all about spooking the masses with a celestial boogieman in order to give a few conmen political power through claiming they can intercede with the All Mighty on behalf of the peasants to make sure the annual crops don't fail.

And whenever the crops DID fail - it was because the peasants hadn't been worshipful enough to the God - and so a human sacrifice had to be made, which was often a virgin being thrown off a cliff or into a river crawling with crocodiles.

That there might have been - or still is - a Creator who was/is responsible for the remarkable designs in Nature - that's something totally different to a 'Father in Heaven' Hollywood version of 'God'.

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Yadda Gold Member Online Posts: 21679 A cat with a view	Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian Reply #55 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:47am "The peasants are revolting!!" - God Yes ? Thank you Herbert.
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Reply #56 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 1:03pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:47am:

"The peasants are revolting!!"
- God

Yes ?

Thank you Herbert.

Sorry, Yadda, but myself and the other boys were bullied very badly at school by Divinity teachers who made it a condition of class attendance that no discussion or debate would be entered into on the subject of institutionalised superstition masquerading as 'religion'.

We were bullied into silence, and to understand that our only role was to sit there like mindless dummies while soaking up what seemed to some of us to be delusional rantings as though wholly in keeping with scientific knowledge.

It was the compulsory nature of these 'Divinity' classes that pissed me off greatly, Yadda. I was frog-marched to the local church every Sunday.

But that's not to say I don't have a decent care for you religious guys. All I ask is that it's voluntary for your audience as to whether they want to attend religious meetings or not.

Bless you my son.

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Reply #57 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 6:23pm

I'm not a believer in the God of the Bible or any other established religion.

Overall, I don't think that Christianity does as much harm as (say) Islam, but it needs to recognise that it is no longer the default position in this country. Our children do not deserve to be force-fed any religion, but they need to have an awareness of all religions so that they can make their own minds up.

Christianity is also a culture, and it would be a tragedy if it died out completely. It is part of our heritage. We live in a country where less than 50% were categorised as one of the branches of Christianity, and this will probably drop even more in this year's census.

Having said that, "Corporate" Christianity such as Hillsong is alien to our culture.

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Reply #58 - May 1^st, 2016 at 4:55am

John_Taverner wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I'm not a believer in the God of the Bible or any other established religion.

Overall, I don't think that Christianity does as much harm as (say) Islam, but it needs to recognise that it is no longer the default position in this country. Our children do not deserve to be force-fed any religion, but they need to have an awareness of all religions so that they can make their own minds up.

Christianity is also a culture, and it would be a tragedy if it died out completely. It is part of our heritage. We live in a country where less than 50% were categorised as one of the branches of Christianity, and this will probably drop even more in this year's census.

Having said that, "Corporate" Christianity such as Hillsong is alien to our culture.

Sorry....I disagree

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Reply #59 - May 1^st, 2016 at 4:58am

Yadda wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

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What is true Christianity?

What is true Christianity? To me true Christianity is defined
by the teachings that one finds in the gospels and epistles of
the New Testament. No more and no less than that.
Specifically, it does not include bodies of tradition, custom,
belief and dogma that have been added on by various churches
over the centuries. I don't consider these add-ons as
authentic, trustworthy or a valid part of Christianity. True
Christianity is about love of God and following in his way as
taught by Jesus and his apostles. You learn what it is by
reading from the source documents themselves (i.e. the books of
the New Testament) --- and not by reading books or
commentaries about Christianity, or listening to people or
institutions purporting to tell you what Christianity is.

Christianity is concerned with personal conduct, and at a more
basic level, with values, attitudes, outlooks and beliefs. It
tells us how we are supposed to behave, especially how we are
supposed to conduct ourselves toward other people, and what
kinds of attitudes we are supposed to carry towards them.
Christianity is about living in a certain way. It is about
changing yourself --- living by a higher law. It is not about
changing the conduct of other people or trying to force them to
live by your rules as some seem to think. It is not about
social or political activism. Social and political activism
come from a completely different, non-Christian, philosophy
with its own assumptions. Christianity is not about social
engineering or redistributing wealth --- taking from the rich
and giving to the poor.

Christianity is a body of values, outlooks and attitudes
characterized by love of God, fear of God, piety, goodness,
humility, meekness, temperance, self-denial, kindness,
peaceableness, integrity, morality, chastity, purity, justness,
uprightness and faith. It is the rejection of the "natural
man" for a "higher man". It is a rejection of the "way of the world" for the "way of God".

Feb 2002

http://www.solitaryroad.com/a827.html

Well said James.

Awww that's beautiful

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