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Reply #60 - May 1st, 2016 at 5:03am
 
boxy wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour, yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".


^^^^  That shows that you have absolutely NO IDEA about God or what His Word says.



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Reply #61 - May 1st, 2016 at 5:11am
 
Raven wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 1:38am:
As you say Yadda scripture doesn't lie.

It clearly shows your god is a fan of killing kids


Actually, God is not a "fan" of killing children.

Also, be careful, your words are a bit rich given it was you who once volunteered the admission that it's ok for children to be physically assaulted....right here on OzPol.

Don't think I've forgotten that.

I'm still shocked by it as a matter of fact.
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Reply #62 - May 1st, 2016 at 5:13am
 
For Stratos.

(From an earlier post)

What is true Christianity? 

True Christianity is defined by the teachings that one finds in the gospels and epistles of the New Testament.  No more and no less than that. 
   
Specifically, it does not include bodies of tradition, custom, belief and dogma that have been added on by various churches over the centuries.  I don't consider these add-ons as authentic, trustworthy or a valid part of Christianity. 

True Christianity is about love of God and following in his way as taught by Jesus and his apostles.  You learn what it is by reading from the source documents themselves (i.e. the books of the New Testament) ---  and not by reading books or commentaries about Christianity, or listening to people or institutions purporting to tell you what Christianity is.

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Reply #63 - May 2nd, 2016 at 5:09pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 4:55am:
John_Taverner wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
I'm not a believer in the God of the Bible or any other established religion.

Overall, I don't think that Christianity does as much harm as (say) Islam, but it needs to recognise that it is no longer the default position in this country. Our children do not deserve to be force-fed any religion, but they need to have an awareness of all religions so that they can make their own minds up.

Christianity is also a culture, and it would be a tragedy if it died out completely. It is part of our heritage.  We live in a country where less than 50% were categorised as one of the branches of Christianity, and this will probably drop even more in this year's census.

Having said that, "Corporate" Christianity such as Hillsong is alien to our culture. 


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Reply #64 - May 2nd, 2016 at 5:32pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 4:55am:
John_Taverner wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
I'm not a believer in the God of the Bible or any other established religion.

Overall, I don't think that Christianity does as much harm as (say) Islam, but it needs to recognise that it is no longer the default position in this country. Our children do not deserve to be force-fed any religion, but they need to have an awareness of all religions so that they can make their own minds up.

Christianity is also a culture, and it would be a tragedy if it died out completely. It is part of our heritage.  We live in a country where less than 50% were categorised as one of the branches of Christianity, and this will probably drop even more in this year's census.

Having said that, "Corporate" Christianity such as Hillsong is alien to our culture. 


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You know....I was expecting you to come back armed and dangerous lol.

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Reply #65 - May 2nd, 2016 at 10:44pm
 
Whether Christians like to admit it, Christianity is evolving along with Western social attitudes in general. Small groups of fundamentalists have tried to swim against the tide, most of whom have not resorted to violence; not so in Islam.

After WW2, the so-called holy men of Islam started to notice indications of the same kind of social change in their societies that affected Christianity in the West. To cut a long story short, these holy men sh1t their pants, and started exhorting their followers to increasing acts of violence against apostates and infidels.
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Reply #66 - May 2nd, 2016 at 10:56pm
 
boxy wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
What a cop out. A link to another thread, where you refuse to address the issue of picking and choosing commandments for your own behaviour, yet still condemning others for choosing their own way to "salvation".



Others are free to choose there own way to salvation.  That's free will.

There is only one way to find out if they get there. Wink

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Reply #67 - May 3rd, 2016 at 1:14am
 
issuevoter wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:44pm:

Whether Christians like to admit it, Christianity is evolving along with Western social attitudes in general.


Small groups of fundamentalists have tried to swim against the tide, most of whom have not resorted to violence; not so in Islam.




And in those path(s) along which the modern Church[es] have walked [and along which they walk today], brought HIS flock [God's sheep!] any closer to their God ?



Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep:
          their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.


Ezekiel 34:2
Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3  Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4  The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.


Ezekiel 34:8
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
9  Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
10  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.





Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.



Psalms 118:8
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
9  It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.




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Daniel records the lamentable cost, to the people of ancient Israel, for their choice, in departing from God's ways.

And records that a curse was put upon all of Israel [....as a 'reward' for, forgetting their God, for departing from his law, and for breaking their covenant with their holy God.].


Daniel 9:11
Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.





"....the oath that is written in the law of Moses"

???


Google;
the song of moses


see.....
Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47





Psalms 119:4
Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
5  O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
6  Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.


Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Psalms 1:4
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.







Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/9#9
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God foretold [during the time of Moses!], that the nation [the people] of Israel will be found to be, unworthy [i.e. unholy], and that because the nation of Israel abandoned him, God would scatter Israel among the nations...
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And though Israel are punished, for abandoning God, and for braking their covenant with their God...

Israel is not, will not, be cast off, by their God.

Jeremiah 31:37
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

It was all foretold, that those who are Israel, are forgiven, and would be gathered again to their own land.





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Reply #68 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:16am
 


longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:57am:

Ah... imagine an american-style 'evangelical' who doesnt actually go to church quoting the far-right.

too easy, yadda.

GO TO CHURCH






Scripture was given, as God's testimony and witness to man.



Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8  Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.


Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13  But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.



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We ourselves cannot do anything which would 'earn' our spiritual redemption.

We are each saved by the grace of God.

Through our own repentance, and accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we merit God's grace towards us, but not through any 'righteous' works of our own.

Yet throughout scripture, we are still admonished [by THE WORD OF GOD] to seek God, to seek God's way, and to seek God's righteousness.



Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.


Matthew 6:33
....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;....


Separating the precious from the vile.

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 12:46
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47  Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48  But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49  And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



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Q.
Is the Pope a Catholic ?

Good luck to him !



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537138642/2#2
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The Catholic clerical hierarchy, since its inception, have lived and worked in palaces, and have lived like the princes of this world.

The Catholic church clerical hierarchy have set in place structures of authority, which have exactly mirrored those of
"the princes of the Gentiles".



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Reply #69 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:17am
 

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:57am:

Ah... imagine an american-style 'evangelical' who doesnt actually go to church quoting the far-right.

too easy, yadda.

GO TO CHURCH






Scripture was given, as God's testimony and witness to man.

Jeremiah the prophet recorded, that ancient Israel went to 'church' [went to the Temple] to worship God.

And yet, Jeremiah records, that God rebuked the people of ancient Israel.

I wonder why ?



Quote:

Jeremiah 7:4-12

(4) Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. (5) For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; (6) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: (7) Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. (8) Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. (9) Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; (10) And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? (11) Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. (12) But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.



We can learn a great deal from the prophets' descriptions of conditions in Israel in the years just before God scattered them. Jeremiah 7 contains an especially vivid description, describing attitudes and conduct just before Babylon's invasion of Judah. Anybody who cares and diligently searches for the causes of our present scattered condition can easily find many of them.

Verse 4 reveals a casual, self-righteous, and presumptuous self-confidence that, since they were fellowshipping with the "church," everything would be fine! Nevertheless, the enemy conquered Judah and took the people into captivity, so membership in the church is no guarantee that judgment will not come on us individually or collectively. Jeremiah expresses the Jews' prideful assumption of being above correction, an attitude that has its basis in a confused understanding of God's love and the purity of His holiness.


......Verse 10 expresses the extent this delusion had permeated their lives. By ignoring God's moral and ethical demands, they were in effect telling God that attending services released them from the guilt accrued during the rest of their lives. It was as if God's judgments did not apply to them. They were after all "in the church," right? It reads almost as if they felt they were doing God a favor by showing up! What is more, while there, they heard insipid messages telling them, "Peace, peace. Everything is okay. God's grace covers all."

Though ceremonially going through the motions, they lacked thorough dedication and devotion to God's way in every aspect of life. Beginning in verse 12, God reminds them that they should remember the history of former generations and take warning because they are on track to experience the same calamities. Have we in our time repeated their assumptions that everything is fine when it is not? It seems so, since the Laodicean assumes he is rich and increased with goods and needs nothing. The reality is that he is blind to his true condition and not clothed with God's righteousness.......

— John W. Ritenbaugh

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Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.



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Reply #70 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 11:17am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 8:57am:

Ah... imagine an american-style 'evangelical' who doesnt actually go to church quoting the far-right.

too easy, yadda.

GO TO CHURCH






Scripture was given, as God's testimony and witness to man.

Jeremiah the prophet recorded, that ancient Israel went to 'church' [went to the Temple] to worship God.

And yet, Jeremiah records, that God rebuked the people of ancient Israel.

I wonder why ?



Quote:

Jeremiah 7:4-12

(4) Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. (5) For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; (6) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: (7) Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. (8) Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. (9) Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; (10) And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? (11) Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD. (12) But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.



We can learn a great deal from the prophets' descriptions of conditions in Israel in the years just before God scattered them. Jeremiah 7 contains an especially vivid description, describing attitudes and conduct just before Babylon's invasion of Judah. Anybody who cares and diligently searches for the causes of our present scattered condition can easily find many of them.

Verse 4 reveals a casual, self-righteous, and presumptuous self-confidence that, since they were fellowshipping with the "church," everything would be fine! Nevertheless, the enemy conquered Judah and took the people into captivity, so membership in the church is no guarantee that judgment will not come on us individually or collectively. Jeremiah expresses the Jews' prideful assumption of being above correction, an attitude that has its basis in a confused understanding of God's love and the purity of His holiness.


......Verse 10 expresses the extent this delusion had permeated their lives. By ignoring God's moral and ethical demands, they were in effect telling God that attending services released them from the guilt accrued during the rest of their lives. It was as if God's judgments did not apply to them. They were after all "in the church," right? It reads almost as if they felt they were doing God a favor by showing up! What is more, while there, they heard insipid messages telling them, "Peace, peace. Everything is okay. God's grace covers all."

Though ceremonially going through the motions, they lacked thorough dedication and devotion to God's way in every aspect of life. Beginning in verse 12, God reminds them that they should remember the history of former generations and take warning because they are on track to experience the same calamities. Have we in our time repeated their assumptions that everything is fine when it is not? It seems so, since the Laodicean assumes he is rich and increased with goods and needs nothing. The reality is that he is blind to his true condition and not clothed with God's righteousness.......

— John W. Ritenbaugh

WWW search




Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.



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talk about missing the point.

when u meet your Maker, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
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Reply #71 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:07am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 2:07pm:


you dont even know what the Bible means.

GO TO CHURCH






I've read the bible.

I read the bible.

And i must concede that it is clear, that the primary message which the bible wishes to impart to men, is;


Quote:
GO TO CHURCH ['and learn the commandments of men']



Yes, you can read that message, in THE WORD of the LORD.


Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
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6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.






longweekend58 wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm:


talk about missing the point.

when u meet your Maker, you are going to be sorely disappointed.







A lot of people will be.


Quote:
GO TO CHURCH ['and learn the commandments of men']




"...well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,....in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."





Matthew 15:7
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.



"....behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid."

Isaiah 29:12-14



Men will hate God's WORD.

Amos 8:11
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:


the phrase....
"the word of the LORD"

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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.                  [Leviticus 19:18]


Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


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Reply #72 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:14am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:07am:


Men will hate God's WORD.

Amos 8:11
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:






Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9  That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
10  Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
11  Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.



Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
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6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Love God, Keep his commandments = Christian
Reply #73 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
Religion is not Philosophy.

Move along people, nothing to see here (tragic accident). Roll Eyes
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #74 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 8:53pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:14am:
Yadda wrote on Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:07am:


Men will hate God's WORD.

Amos 8:11
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:






Isaiah 30:8
Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9  That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
10  Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
11  Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.



Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
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6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.







It's not that men hate god's word, it's more that "witnesses" are trained to be so annoying.

When witnesses go out into the world many of them lament that people often get angry when they try to share the word of god.

That is because proselytising is specifically designed to be uncomfortable for the other person because it isn't about converting them to your religion, it's about manipulating you so you can't leave yours.

If this tactic was about converting people it would be considered a massive faliure. It recruits almost no one who isn't already willing to join. School fetes are a more effective recruiting tool.

On the other hand, it is extremely effective at creating a deep tribal feeling among its own members.

The rejection they receive is actually more important than the few people they convert. It causes them to feel a level of discomfort around the people they attempt to witness to. These become the "others." These uncomfortable feelings go away when they come back  to their congregation, the "Tribe."

If you take a good look at the process it becomes fairly clear. In most cases, the religious person starts out from their own group, who is encouraging and supportive. They are then sent out into the hars world  where people repeatedly reject them.

These brave witnesses then return from the cruel world to their congregation where they are treated like returning heroes. they are now safe. They bond as they share their experiences of reaching out to the godless people to bring them the truth. They share the "otherness" they experience.

Once again they will learn that the only place they are accepted is with the people who think as they do. "It isn't safe to leave the group. The world is your enemy, but we love you."

This is a pain reward cycle that is a common brainwashing technique. The participants become more and more reliant on the "Tribe" because they know that "others" reject them.

Combine it with some ritualised chanting, possibly a bit of monotonous repetition of instructions, add a dash of fear of judgement by an unseen but all powerful entity who loves you as long as you do what you are told and you get a pretty powerful mix.
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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.
 
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