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That was a mistake? What should he have been? A goat?

Apparently you can't interpret Islam unless you speak God's language.

Arabic.

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:


That is correct FD.



According to the English language translation of the Hadith, Mohammed declared that everything belongs to Allah and his slaves [the moslems], the whole earth!


"While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out to us and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews."....The Prophet stood up and addressed them, "O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!" The Jews replied, "O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allah's message to us." The Prophet said, "That is what I want (from you)." He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-l-Qasim." Then he said it for the third time and added, "You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392


n.b.


That Hadith verse sounds a little ominous, doesn't it!



     that what hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077  actually says is;

"While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out to us and said, "I must proceed to the market."....The Prophet stood up and explained that he needed to buy some Zucinnis for his evening meal. So Allah's Apostle proceeded to the market and bought five Zucinnis from a Jew in the market. And then went home."

See!

See!

There is absolutely nothing at all malicious or threatening, to be found within ISLAM's foundation religious texts,      if you infidels would just read those religious texts in the original Arabic!



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YT tutorials about the real Mohammed, and his beliefs and his values....
[an assessment of ISLAM, Mohammed, etc,     spoken in English, by an Arabic speaker]


41 Muhammad the Sinful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmlqXGqizN0

53 Allah & his Aposle Know Best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm4BZowsOEw

67 Dilemma of Muhammadan Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZISKPBtMP4

161 Muhammad & Allah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYw-JeHTwvw

163 Muhammad the Humble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5VsWJSKwjo

190 Muhammad's Characteristics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BViKF5N27P4


If you have the time, these tutorials are well worth the listen.

http://www.al-rassooli.com/blog/

So if God created the earth then what other entity owns it?

So God created the earth and therefore he owns it and runs it.

What on earth do they teach you at church

wally1 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

Waleed - a Mohammedan at his full intellectual best.

'By his followers ye should judge him', no?

Phem, is the answer that every Australian currently raping and pillaging their way across the middle east just happens to be a Muslim?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 6:48pm:


I have to make a confession here, G. I never would have become a Muslim.apologist if it wasn’t for all the knucklehead porkies. I’m not a Muslim. I’m not even remotely persuaded by Islam. I am, however, quite partial to the old boy’s stated values - the Enlightenment, Western liberalism, the rule of law, human rights, etc, etc, etc. I’m also a fan of that rather old-fashioned empiricist notion of reality. I don’t hold with the latest postmodern belief that porkies are the new truth.

This is where I depart from FD, Y, OB et al. They are quite happy to chirp away about huge porkie pies, but when you expose them, they’re always rather cranky. As a rather passe old modernist, I’d actually like to see the truth dished up, as uncomfortable as it may well be. Not only do FD, Y, OB et al love porkies about the Muselman, they hold it as a right to espouse them. FD calls this Freeeeedom, the old boy calls it intelligence and integrity. Y’s happy to quote a psalm or something out of Leviticus.

It’s for this very reason I became a devout Muslim appeaser. It has nothing to do with Islam itself, it’s all about the Western tradition. FD, Y, OB et al, you see, want this turned into a flag we fight behind - a flag that erodes the very foundation of the Western tradition itself. FD’ s happy to abandon the Western tradition simply to get the Muselman. For Y, it’s about Judgement Day and the impending end of the world.  For the old boy, it’s about keeping the tinted races at bay. You know, white man’s burden. They all want to end the most basic human rights overturned to get the Muselman. They all want the rule of law twisted to exclude the Muselman (and his apologists). They want facts and evidence overturned to present the very opposite of what things say and mean. They change your words around and play dumb. And on a grander scale, they do this with propaganda. The UK Daily Mail is a great source of this sort of misinformation, and they love it.

If I could get into.this, I’d probably be rallying against the Muselman too. Once, FD was in the exact same position as me. He decided to turn his back on Western values and go with the porkies. I can’t bring myself to.make this leap of faith.

I’ve tried too. Every time I get some evidence on how dastardly Islam is, different evidence is presented that puts it in perspective. This is what we, in the West, call telling two sides of a story. To go with the knuckleheads, I’d have to completely ignore the other side, and I’d have to make up porkues to explain my view. I’d have to call others Pakistani Bastards and c nts, I’d have to tell them to go to hell, and I’d have to chase them around twisting their words and demanding answers to ridiculous questions.

It all sounds too hard. If you ask me, being a Muslim apologist is much easier.