Australian Politics Forum - did Muhammed err?

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #180 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:40pm But, FD, you still can’t bring yourself to talk about your porkies. How do we know you’re not telling fibs now?
Back to top	IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #181 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Yet Muslims still cannot bring themselves to talk about whether Muhammed might have erred when he did the same thing.

Because Muhammad didn't do the same thing. And while this topic has been done to death for several years now, I look forward to FD sneeringly asking me the same sarcastic questions he's asked a million times before and had them answered a million times before.

Karnal wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

But, FD, you still can’t bring yourself to talk about your porkies.

I'd be happy enough for him to talk about other people's porkies - and at least acknowledge that porkies are at the very least a strong feature of the anti-Islam campaign. If he can acknowledge that, then who knows, he may start to understand the mechanisms of prejudice and bigotry - and how to a very large extent this whole campaign is just plain old prejudice and bigotry - based on porkies.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 96413

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #182 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

I'd be happy enough for him to talk about other people's porkies - and at least acknowledge that porkies are at the very least a strong feature of the anti-Islam campaign. If he can acknowledge that, then who knows, he may start to understand the mechanisms of prejudice and bigotry - and how to a very large extent this whole campaign is just plain old prejudice and bigotry - based on porkies.

I don't think he's qualified to do that, G. FD's expertise is the moral compass of the Muslims and their apologists.

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49371
At my desk.

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #183 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Quote:

Because Muhammad didn't do the same thing.

Right. Muhammed slaughtered Jewish POWs. IS haven't reached that level of success yet.

Quote:

And while this topic has been done to death for several years now

Would you mind linking to previous topics where we discussed how you think Muhammed erred?

Quote:

I look forward to FD sneeringly asking me the same sarcastic questions he's asked a million times before

Let's get started then. How did Muhammed err?

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #184 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:27pm I'd like to get started too, FD. How do you justify porkies as a form of criticism? I'm curious.
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #185 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:36pm Doesn't sound like you're too keen to get started.
Back to top	IP Logged

polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #186 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:23pm: How did Muhammed err? By being human.
Back to top	A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said: Quote: Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms. IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #187 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm That was a mistake? What was he supposed to be? A goat?
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #188 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:37pm freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm: That was a mistake? What was he supposed to be? A goat? Questions, questions. Don't want to answer your question, FD?
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96413	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #189 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:09pm What did I say?
Back to top	IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #190 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

That was a mistake? What was he supposed to be? A goat?

Do you want a running commentary on his whole life to demonstrate how he, as a human, was not perfect? Some might think that rather pointless. Or is this just about you wanting me to admit his execution of a group of men for treachery was a mistake? Ah yes, I think thats it. Which is strange, as I'm certain you wouldn't describe it as an "err".

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #191 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:08pm Now you are just being silly Gandalf. You must realise how novel it is to see a Muslim suggest that Muhammed erred. It is entirely reasonable for people to ask for some examples. Let's start with what you see as his most significant mistakes.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 96413

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #192 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

freediver wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

That was a mistake? What was he supposed to be? A goat?

Do you want a running commentary on his whole life to demonstrate how he, as a human, was not perfect? Some might think that rather pointless. Or is this just about you wanting me to admit his execution of a group of men for treachery was a mistake? Ah yes, I think thats it. Which is strange, as I'm certain you wouldn't describe it as an "err".

Ask FD about porkie pies, G. See if he answers. He always goes all quiet when I ask.

Back to top

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #193 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:00pm

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:08pm:

Now you are just being silly Gandalf. You must realise how novel it is to see a Muslim suggest that Muhammed erred.

Nonsense. Muhammad was a human being, of course he erred. The only being in existence who doesn't err is Allah himself. To say otherwise is tantamount to shirk (attributing equals to God) - the greatest sin in Islam. There is at least one famous Quranic verse of Allah admonishing Muhammad for "erring". Muhammad erring is literally Islamic doctrine - so the idea that its "novel" for muslims to think Muhammad erred is complete and utter nonsense.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 49371
At my desk.

Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #194 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 5:49pm

Gandalf what do you think is Muhammed's most significant mistake?

Quote:

Nonsense. Muhammad was a human being, of course he erred.

So why did Wally feel it is not his place to have an opinion on the matter?

Quote:

To say otherwise is tantamount to shirk (attributing equals to God) - the greatest sin in Islam.

So Islam compels Muslims to acknowlege the mistakes Muhammed made?

Quote:

There is at least one famous Quranic verse of Allah admonishing Muhammad for "erring".

Is this the honey pot one?

Quote:

Muhammad erring is literally Islamic doctrine - so the idea that its "novel" for muslims to think Muhammad erred is complete and utter nonsense.

Yet you must agree that it is novel to see Muslims suggest this. And even when they do, they run away from it.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Poll
Question: Quran 66/1-5 context
Gandalf is right it's about honey 3 (42.9%) Baron is right it's about banging his slave 4 (57.1%) Total votes: 7 « Created by: Baronvonrort on: Jul 7^th, 2015 at 6:17pm »