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Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #315 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 12:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Even when it comes to Muhammed murdering 800 innocent people....


Ah yes, at last the veil has lifted.

FD, we all knew this is what you were talking about all along, so I'm not sure why you were trying to obfuscate it until now.

why can't you muslims accept my world view about how and why a group of men were executed - it can't possibly be that you interpret the events different, it must be some faulty cognitive process

You should have just said that from the beginning FD - and saved us a lot of BS.
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Reply #316 - Aug 10th, 2015 at 2:09pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:19pm:
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I don't.


Next question -


But FD, you haven't answered my question yet. It's really easy. Do you want to give it a stab?

We wouldn't want Matty losing confidence in your excellent answering skills.


FD, what's the best way to get someone to answer a question? You're good at this.

Should I just keep repeating it, or should I ask it in a separate thread?
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Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #317 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 12:16pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 12:59pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Even when it comes to Muhammed murdering 800 innocent people....


Ah yes, at last the veil has lifted.

FD, we all knew this is what you were talking about all along, so I'm not sure why you were trying to obfuscate it until now.

why can't you muslims accept my world view about how and why a group of men were executed - it can't possibly be that you interpret the events different, it must be some faulty cognitive process

You should have just said that from the beginning FD - and saved us a lot of BS.


There is no shortage of examples I could use to demonstrate the principle Gandalf. For example, instead of trying to reinterpret Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the taker), why not just declare that this was one of Muhammed's mistakes? Would that not be so much easier for reform-minded Muslims such as yourself?

Does this mean I was really talking about Karnal's poo joke all along?

More fundamentally, this appears to be a gaping hole in the foundation of Islam. Why do Muslims appear so disinterested in it?
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Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #318 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 12:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
[quote author=freediver link=1436050101/317#317 date=1439259364]There is no shortage of examples I could use to demonstrate the principle Gandalf. For example, instead of trying to reinterpret Muhammed's command to kill gay people (both the giver and the taker), why not just declare that this was one of Muhammed's mistakes? Would that not be so much easier for reform-minded Muslims such as yourself?


Terrible example, which we've been through before, and which you bizarrely somehow interpreted my defense of gays as a call to suicide bomb the mardi-gras... or something.

Anyway, what would be more useful than painstakingly going through all the ahadith and trying to twist every alleged deeds and actions of The Prophet as if there is an assumption that I must take it all as part of Islamic doctrine - it would be better to listen to the suggestion I made previously in great detail about treating the ahadith sceptically for the questionable historical sources that they are. And if any actions and deeds should be used for guidance, only use those that are consistent with Quranic philosophy.

And to clarify, when I said I expected there to be mistakes made by The Prophet, I didn't mean the "oops perhaps I shouldn't have slaughtered all those jews and gays for no reason" type. So when I hear ahadith about (for example) The Prophet torturing a jew for his gold - which is universally believed to be of questionable historical accuracy by Islamic scholars - then I dismiss it out of hand.

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Reply #319 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 5:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 2:09pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 10th, 2015 at 10:09am:
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2015 at 10:19pm:
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I don't.


Next question -


But FD, you haven't answered my question yet. It's really easy. Do you want to give it a stab?

We wouldn't want Matty losing confidence in your excellent answering skills.


FD, what's the best way to get someone to answer a question? You're good at this.

Should I just keep repeating it, or should I ask it in a separate thread?


How about the old stitch-up? This is where one pretends someone has said something when they merely didn’t answer the question.

Or a question put to another poster. E.g, is this one of FD’s porkies?

What do you think, G? Is this another example of FD’s porkies?

Remember, sometimes a question is just a question.

Answer the question.
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Reply #320 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
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Terrible example


Which is why I chose the 800 dead jew example.

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Anyway, what would be more useful than painstakingly going through all the ahadith and trying to twist every alleged deeds and actions of The Prophet as if there is an assumption that I must take it all as part of Islamic doctrine


We are doing nothing of the sort. We are still stuck on the principle of how you handle the fact that Muhammed erred, but not in a way you know about.

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And to clarify, when I said I expected there to be mistakes made by The Prophet, I didn't mean the "oops perhaps I shouldn't have slaughtered all those jews and gays for no reason" type.


What type of mistakes do you expect Muhammed to have made?

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So when I hear ahadith about (for example) The Prophet torturing a jew for his gold


Aha, so that is what this thread is really about.
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Reply #321 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:36pm
 
Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Make Mistakes?
Quote Originally Posted by FutureImam   It think it's nice to know that even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made mistakes sometimes.


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Sister I don't think it's an appropriate question or even worth having a discussion on the topic.

The Prophet (pbuh) is the best of mankind. He is our love and our heart. And the people you love you don't discuss in this manner.

Do you go around disclosing faults about your mum to other people? Same courtesy should be given to the prophet pbuh.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?377547-Did-Prophet-Muhammad-(pbuh)-Mak...


No critical thinking, please, we are Mohammedans.

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Reply #322 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:40pm
 
Watch this, G.

Old boy, do you rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman? FD won’t say.
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Reply #323 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 7:05pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
Watch this, G.

Old boy, do you rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman? FD won’t say.

Tell me if I have insisted on any porkies after the evidence was presented.

If I made a mistake, I acknowledged it and accepted the correction - Swedish/Peruvian knife murder, Kurdish, Turkish, Ananda Marga bombs in Sydney, whatever.

Have Mohammedans corrected their errors?

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Reply #324 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 7:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 7:05pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
Watch this, G.

Old boy, do you rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman? FD won’t say.

Tell me if I have insisted on any porkies after the evidence was presented.

If I made a mistake, I acknowledged it and accepted the correction - Swedish/Peruvian knife murder, Kurdish, Turkish, Ananda Marga bombs in Sydney, whatever.

Have Mohammedans corrected their errors?



I didn’t ask that, old chap, as well you know.

You see, G? Cunning.

At least this one deflects. The other one evades.

Deflection, evasion, tendentious, mendacious. O brave new world with such wonderous things in’t,

Innit.
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Re: did Muhammed err?
Reply #325 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 8:02pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
Re: Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Make Mistakes?
Quote Originally Posted by FutureImam   It think it's nice to know that even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made mistakes sometimes.


MuslimWarrior Reply:
Sister I don't think it's an appropriate question or even worth having a discussion on the topic.

The Prophet (pbuh) is the best of mankind. He is our love and our heart. And the people you love you don't discuss in this manner.

Do you go around disclosing faults about your mum to other people? Same courtesy should be given to the prophet pbuh.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?377547-Did-Prophet-Muhammad-(pbuh)-Mak...


No critical thinking, please, we are Mohammedans.



Yes many muslims are stupid.

Thanks for alerting us to this fact.
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Reply #326 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 8:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
We are still stuck on the principle of how you handle the fact that Muhammed erred, but not in a way you know about.


nope, thats just you desperately trying to twist this into something that it isn't.

- and of course avoid having to answer Karnal's questions in the process
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Reply #327 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 11th, 2015 at 6:40pm:
Old boy, do you rule out the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman? FD won’t say.

Deliberate, known falsehoods?  Of course.

Islam doesn't need lies to condemn it, the truth will do it much better.

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Reply #328 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 9:43pm
 
the Islam-related higher-than-average death toll likely stems from the fact that Muslims have always been trying to emulate Mohammed's superpowers, whether they possessed them or not, to their own detriment. To make matters worse, while some of those powers were real, others were not more than old wives/husbands/same-sex life partners' tales.

You may have heard wondrous stories about how prepubescent girls touched by Mohammed instantly transformed into mature women by developing secondary sexual characteristics in a blink of an eye, how Mohammed once defeated Chuck Norris in single combat; or how Mohammed had his socks catapulted into a besieged fortress, causing the enemy to panic and beg for mercy. Some of that can't be true simply because Mohammed never wore socks, or because even he wasn't foolish enough to challenge Chuck Norris - otherwise Islam may have turned out to be a completely different religion.

It is a documented fact, however, that Mohammed would seriously impress his contemporaries with his ability to froth at the mouth while convulsing on the ground, see the same object no matter the direction he looked, have hallucinations of dazzling light, and commune with the divine (even though everyone knows Obama wasn't born yet). His amazing superpowers regarding prepubescent girls were also a documented fact.

The trouble with today's Islam is that Muslims still zealously insist on emulating the symptoms of Mohammed's paroxysms of epileptic insanity, psychopathology, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety, paranoia, and other mental pathologies - a practice that is consistently turning generations of Muslim worshippers into a walking Medical Sales Desk Reference.

These and many more fun facts that are sure to give you hours of nightmares you'll discover in a meticulously researched book titled It's All About Muhammad. This profoundly insightful volume also explains why Submitters pray five times a day, why adoption is a no-no, why the Koran reads like a handy reference guide on how to properly kill and conquer Jews and other tax cheats, and much, much more. -

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/secret-behind-mohammed-superpowers-video-t16309.html

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Porky? Parody? Truth?
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Reply #329 - Aug 11th, 2015 at 9:51pm
 
Gandalf what type of mistakes do you expect Muhammed to have made?
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