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Reply #30 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

So Muhammed was getting stuck into his Christian wife's honey pot and his other wives complained about being able to smell it on his breath? And this is not a euphemism for sex, even though she became pregnant by him?

How did Muhammed err Gandalf?

If Allah was so quick to bring Muhammed into line over something as trivial as yielding to his other wives on the issue of eating honey, where was He when Muhammed was accidentally slaughtering hundreds of innocent Jews? Or when Muhammed was accidentally ordering Muslims to execute gays, then trailing off and leaving it a bit vague so they had to figure it out for themselves?

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Reply #31 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

I chose the one that is graded sahih,the scholars all say sahih ahadith are authentic,i even cited the verse as evidence.

Since when did sahih ahadith become not authentic Gandalf?

The version I gave is sahih Baron - I guess your wiki-islam site that you are spoon-fed from didn't mention that. Its from Bukhari, Dawoud and Muslim - the three most sahih sources.

Here you go...

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The Prophet (ﷺ) used to stay (for a period) in the house of Zainab bint Jahsh (one of the wives of the Prophet ) and he used to drink honey in her house. Hafsa and I decided that when the Prophet (ﷺ) entered upon either of us, she would say, "I smell in you the bad smell of Maghafir (a bad smelling raisin). Have you eaten Maghafir?" When he entered upon one of us, she said that to him. He replied (to her), "No, but I have drunk honey in the house of Zainab bint Jahsh, and I will never drink it again." Then the following verse was revealed: 'O Prophet ! Why do you ban (for you) that which Allah has made lawful for you?. ..(up to) If you two (wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) turn in repentance to Allah.' (66.1-4) The two were `Aisha and Hafsa And also the Statement of Allah: 'And (Remember) when the Prophet (ﷺ) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives!' (66.3) i.e., his saying, "But I have drunk honey." Hisham said: It also meant his saying, "I will not drink anymore, and I have taken an oath, so do not inform anybody of that."

http://sunnah.com/bukhari/83/68

All your verse shows is $Profit Mo didn't have a good memory I reckon he was making it up as he went along,my verses explain the context of 66/1 and 66/2 where he promised to not have sex with his Coptic Christian slave.
quran.com/66/2

Bukhari, it's a long verse here is what you need-
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The $Profit said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when allah admonished him for his oath that he would not approach maria the Coptic sex slave.
sunnah.com/bukhari/46/29
I cannot see allah admonishing someone for not eating honey..

So Allah revealed a verse saying why did $Profit Mo forbid himself from having sex with his slave girls when allah has allowed this,it mentioned him seeking the approval of his wives.
66/2 is allah giving $Profit Mo a get out clause for his promise to his wives he would not have sex with his Coptic Christian slave.

When we look at this even further he stayed away from his wives for 29 days while he porked Maria the Coptic Christian sex slave as a way of punishing his wives.
Maria bore the only son for $Profit Mo who was named Ibrahim, he died before he reached 2 years of age.

Sheik Munajid and the Islamic state both approve of muslim men having sex with their slave girls.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: did Muhammed err? Reply #32 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:45pm freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:40pm: even though she became pregnant by him? Where is that mentioned?
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Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

If Allah was so quick to bring Muhammed into line over something as trivial as yielding to his other wives on the issue of eating honey, where was He when Muhammed was accidentally slaughtering hundreds of innocent Jews? Or when Muhammed was accidentally ordering Muslims to execute gays, then trailing off and leaving it a bit vague so they had to figure it out for themselves?

66/1 has nothing to do with honey it's allah helping $Profit Mo's sex life when he was caught by his wives having sex with his Coptic Christian slave girl.

Why did Allah reveal no verses to prevent the sunni-shia split yet was always there when $Profit Mo's sex life needed help.

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Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

All your verse shows is $Profit Mo didn't have a good memory I reckon he was making it up as he went along

Mo made up the narrations about him that were written 200 years after his death did he?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

my verses explain the context of 66/1 and 66/2 where he promised to not have sex with his Coptic Christian slave.
quran.com/66/2

From your own words Baron:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 3:54pm:

I chose the one that is graded sahih,the scholars all say sahih ahadith are authentic,i even cited the verse as evidence.

Since when did sahih ahadith become not authentic Gandalf?

The hadith (they are not "verses") I quoted is sahih Bukhari, as well as sahih muslim and sahih Abu Dawoud. Scholars unanimously agree that these three ahadith are the most sahih.

Since when did sahih Bukhari become not authentic Baron?

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Reply #36 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:56pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

66/1 has nothing to do with honey it's allah helping $Profit Mo's sex life when he was caught by his wives having sex with his Coptic Christian slave girl.

No of course not - because its Sahih Bukhari.

Never again will Baron be citing Sahih Bukhari and asking rhetorical questions about Bukhari being the most reliable of the ahadith. Right Baron?

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Reply #37 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:00pm

Oh look, Baron explaining to us what is the most trusted Islamic sources for sunnis:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

hmmm - which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which one did not Baron? I'm curious.

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Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

66/1 has nothing to do with honey it's allah helping $Profit Mo's sex life when he was caught by his wives having sex with his Coptic Christian slave girl.

No of course not - because its Sahih Bukhari.

Never again will Baron be citing Sahih Bukhari and asking rhetorical questions about Bukhari being the most reliable of the ahadith. Right Baron?

I did cite bukhari where $Profit stayed away from his wives for 29 days after allah admonished him for promising to stay away from maria to please his wives which is the context of 66/1.

Shall we bring up the thread where you tried to pass off a mistranslation by Muhsin Khan as evidence?

My sh1t is Akbar.

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Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Oh look, Baron explaining to us what is the most trusted Islamic sources for sunnis:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

hmmm - which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which one did not Baron? I'm curious.

What did the bukhari hadith I cited say Gandalf, was allah upset with mo for promising his wives he would stay away from maria the Coptic slave, that is the context of 66/1.

It also backs up the sahih hadith about mo porking his sex slave.

There are more than 3 hadith writers in sunni Islam, a sahih hadith is considered genuine,i cited sahih ahadith.

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Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:09pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

I did cite bukhari where $Profit stayed away from his wives for 29 days after allah admonished him for promising to stay away from maria to please his wives which is the context of 66/1.

Soooo Bukhari is reliable?

Or is it only some of Bukhari?

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

Please Baron, answer my question, its a relevant one: which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which version did not?

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Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Oh look, Baron explaining to us what is the most trusted Islamic sources for sunnis:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

hmmm - which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which one did not Baron? I'm curious.

What did the bukhari hadith I cited say Gandalf, was allah upset with mo for promising his wives he would stay away from maria the Coptic slave, that is the context of 66/1.

It also backs up the sahih hadith about mo porking his sex slave.

There are more than 3 hadith writers in sunni Islam, a sahih hadith is considered genuine,i cited sahih ahadith.

Sooo you are using Bukhari to disprove Bukhari? Cunning tactic that.

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Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

I did cite bukhari where $Profit stayed away from his wives for 29 days after allah admonished him for promising to stay away from maria to please his wives which is the context of 66/1.

Soooo Bukhari is reliable?

Or is it only some of Bukhari?

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

Please Baron, answer my question, its a relevant one: which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which version did not?

In that aug 27 post I only used those examples because I was too lazy to include all 13 books on ahadith they have at sunnah.com, there is a limit to how much time I waste on Islam.

How many versions do they have here Gandalf?
www.sunnah.com

A sahih ahadith is a sahih ahdith, if it was not sahih then you could wriggle out of it.

You were in denial about $Profit Mo having sex slaves when you joined this forum,there is no end of nonsense from you.

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Reply #44 - Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Oh look, Baron explaining to us what is the most trusted Islamic sources for sunnis:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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Gandalf is a muslim.

Islamic scripture for Gandalf being from the sunni side of Islam would be the Quran,Sahih al Bukhari,Sahih Muslim and Abu Dawud.

hmmm - which of the two versions came from Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawud - and which one did not Baron? I'm curious.

What did the bukhari hadith I cited say Gandalf, was allah upset with mo for promising his wives he would stay away from maria the Coptic slave, that is the context of 66/1.

It also backs up the sahih hadith about mo porking his sex slave.

There are more than 3 hadith writers in sunni Islam, a sahih hadith is considered genuine,i cited sahih ahadith.

Sooo you are using Bukhari to disprove Bukhari? Cunning tactic that.

Your incident was a separate incident,if it was for honey then why does honey need halal certification when as you claim allah said it's halal.

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