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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #15 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Yadda, do you understand the difference between personal experience and media observation?
If you make sure that you get any first hand information on someone, don't talk to them and don't know them then your really not qualified to hold an opinion on them . doubly unqualified to try and pass your own erroneous interpretation of reality.
I didn't assume you were ignorant, I asked you a specific question about your personal experience.
I was amused when by your abandonment of truth line, especially in the context of willful ignorance.

Since you know nothing if Islam and Muslim ill get some info from you on the bible.

You say that you thought the Jehovah of the bible was overly harsh. I presume this is referring to stories like Barabbas and the bear?
How do you reconcile the vengeful petty god of the old testament(he sends a bear to kill children as punishment for teasing a bald priest-at the priest behest) with the new testament.

Also, how do you find the chutzpah to piss out your poison while quoting a book you don't embrace about a subject you don't understand?
I havn't seen much evidence of turning the other cheek from you.
I don't see you treating other people as you would like to be treated.
have you washed a moslems feet?

Or are you appointed judge? you deem yourself capable of insight and wisdom while perverting the text from which you derive your authority.

You are the other side of the same coin that Muslim extremists are minted from.
It a shame you don't know any Muslim extremists, I think you would find you had alot in common.

The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose (convict saying)

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Reply #16 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:11am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

OK so you misinterpret the Koran, doesnt make you any different from a fundamentalist.

You claim that i am misrepresenting the ideals of ISLAM contained in the Koran.

I claim that you are misrepresenting the ideals of ISLAM, to those who are not moslems.

I wonder who is correct?

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

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Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

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Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence:

"The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."

Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti,

the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.

.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)

Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)

As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

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Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

Jihad is lawful.

Jihad is virtuous.

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

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'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

A moslem, in his preferred 'environment'.

Doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.

A MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems.... Reply #17 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:14am What I'm saying is that Muslim extremists are misinterpreting the Koran, just as you do, since you are judging the Koran on their actions. By the same token, Id suggest you to be a Christian extremist. Which for me is assessed by belief in creation.
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Reply #18 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am

Yadda assumes other people interpret scripture the same way he does.
Thats why he assumes all moslems are dogma driven automatons with no ability to reason or make a choice based on personal ethics.
Its tough for yadda to explain to us how scared we should be of a whole group of people who thinks the same way he does.
I think thats why he feels the need to support his statement with pictures and quotes from external sources-kind of like a grade 6 school project.

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Reply #19 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

Yadda said....
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I have no respect for moslems, for anyone who declares, "I am a moslem"
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I have no respect for anyone who chooses to associate themselves, with the mores and laws, and the 'lawful' violence of ISLAM.

ISLAM teaches moslems LAWLESSNESS [and 'lawful' violence], imo.

And ISLAM teaches moslems cultural parasitism, imo.

e.g.
Moslems insist that they want to come to live in the West, to live in a culture which moslems will often openly declare that they despise.

Yet many of those very same moslems [who despise Western culture] at the very same time, refuse to stay in their own homelands, to fight [to 'struggle'] and work for their own culture, to engage in moslem nation building, to establish the 'ISLAMIC ideal' in their own homelands.

Instead, moslems come to the West, so as to make the West, like the hell holes, which moslems say they despise, fear, and have fled from.

Google

Yadda said....
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Aussie,

Could it be possible, that 'billions of people' [i.e.moslems], actively bring themselves into disrepute ?

In their tacit support of ISLAM, and their support of what ISLAM promotes in the world ?

It is 'the moslem' himself, and it is their own choice, to become/remain a moslem [especially when a moslem, is resident in a secular nation like Australia! ].

[i.e. it is their 'life' choice, to support the worldview which their 'faith' promotes. i.e. political intimidation, political violence and murder. ]

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Yadda said....
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So once more, just to be clear;
1/ Moslems choose to come to live in non-moslem jurisdictions.
2/ Moslems who choose to live in a non-moslem jurisdiction, will [also] claim that they are suffering 'persecution' [and 'oppression'], because within those non-moslem jurisdictions, non-moslems are 'imposing' secular law, upon moslems.

And that is the mindset, and the world-view, which moslems bring with them, when moslems come to live within secular countries, like Australia.

Google

Yadda said....
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ISLAM is a death cult.

And moslems are culpable for the evil and violence done in the name of ISLAM, because moslems consciously choose to associate themselves with ISLAM.

Google

Yadda said....
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A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then, again, why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

n.b.
According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

Google

Yadda said.....
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Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM.

EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community.

And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of,
Hamas,
or the Taliban,
or Al-Qaeda,
or Boko Haram,
or ISIS,
or Al Shabaab,
or [in Australia] Brothers for Life,

OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM;

....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

Google

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #20 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

IMAGE...

London, moslem street protests.

Moslems 'demonstrating' - just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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"The face of terror...not the true faith of Islam.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340106973/4#4
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THE FALLACY;

NOT ALL MOSLEMS ARE 'BAD' PEOPLE ?

How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<.....

"I am a moslem!"

.....is unaware of what the principle tenets and laws of ISLAM are ?

How likely is it that a person who >> declares <<.....

"I am a moslem!"

.....is unaware of how mainstream ISLAM regards, and portrays non-moslems, i.e. as criminals [BECAUSE, they are not moslems, BECAUSE, they choose to reject ISLAM] ?

i.e.
Q.
If [individual] moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, murderous philosophy which ISLAM clearly is ?

Q.
If moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ?

Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ?

How credible is such a claim ?

How credible is it that a >> devout moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

e.g.
The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that;

THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE BETWEEN MOSLEMS AND UNBELIEVERS.

And that there can only ever be a never ending warfare against 'unbelievers', .........or, a hidden enmity, whenever the 'unbelievers' are are stronger than moslems.

Google

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15
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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems.... Reply #21 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:27pm Hate comes from fear. fear comes from ignorance. I strongly suspect I have had worse experiences with Moslems than you have Yadda, I cant confirm that because you havn't stated what personal experience you have had. So I am forced to assume you operate from a position of ignorance.
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Reply #22 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:36pm

Posts #19, 20

Presenting previously stated argument(s) against the notion of [the fallacy of] the 'innocent' moslem.

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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'ISIS', is already here within Australia;[/b]

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"......Yes my brothers, we will change the world to suit ISLAM.

The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle....."

WATCH THE YT VIDEO, to get an understanding of how 'Aussie' moslems are conducting themselves behind closed doors!!

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

-------- >       goto 1m 40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

n.b.
Behind closed doors,    many imam's who are living in the West, are constantly advising members of their community, that moslems must reject Western values, rules, and laws.    !!!

For example;    Watch this advice being given,    watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque
on YT

Google;
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #23 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

I have read your previous posts and found nothing of substance, mostly regurgitated mass media articles and quotes supporting your position.
I am interested in why you have your opinions. because if you have a good reason for having these opinions I may want to share them.

If you are unable to provide a rational explanation for your opinions please do some research and thinking so you can present a cogent statement supporting your position.

I want you to change my mind. I will need an actual reason to do so.

I give you the respect of reading your posts and replying on the rare occasions you ask a question. i would appreciate likewise courtesy. so i repeat:

You say that you thought the Jehovah of the bible was overly harsh. I presume this is referring to stories like Barabbas and the bear?
How do you reconcile the vengeful petty god of the old testament(he sends a bear to kill children as punishment for teasing a bald priest-at the priest behest) with the new testament.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems.... Reply #24 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:00pm p.s i know you love getting your definitions from google. if you google yadda you get: Yadda yadda yadda definition, blah-blah-blah. lolz so true.
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Reply #25 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 9:58pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Pho Huc,

I regard myself as a reasonable person.

Logic demands that i regard ISLAM as a philosophy which inspires nothing good in the psyche of human beings.

Logic demands that i treat ISLAM as a death cult, bent on world domination.

I know that many persons like yourself, refuse to 'join the dots'.

You are responsible for what you choose to believe.

Not me.

And what we choose to believe will always determine what our moral priorities are, and our [moral] ethics.

Each of us, makes our own choices.

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Isaiah 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

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ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

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FURTHER EVIDENCE ----------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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Examine the behaviour of the rampant [i.e. unrestrained] moslem.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #26 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:19pm

If you believe muslim's are so reprehensible wouldn't you feel an obligation to enlighten the unknowing but receptive like myself. I have stated my reasoning for disregarding extreme islam as anything other than a minor threat to my or my families personal safety. i will ask again, how do you reconcile the story of barabas and the bear , with the theme of the new testament. just to give some insight to you logical process.

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Reply #27 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:20pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:00pm:

p.s i know you love getting your definitions from google.
if you google yadda you get:
Yadda yadda yadda definition, blah-blah-blah.
lolz so true.

Don't take any notice of yadda,he just recycles and re uses the same posts over and over.He is utterly boring.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems.... Reply #28 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:21pm p s your cut and paste skills are ninja yadda
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Reply #29 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:24am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

If you believe muslim's are so reprehensible wouldn't you feel an obligation to enlighten the unknowing but receptive like myself.

I keep trying to explain [the evil of ISLAM] to everyone i can.

But the concept, that the close proximity of evil, is a threat to our peace, isn't being received very well.

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:19pm:

I have stated my reasoning for disregarding extreme islam as anything other than a minor threat to my or my families personal safety.

There is quite enough of that 'attitude' in the world already.

The attitude, that if i don't perceive evil as a threat [to me and to mine], then i should tolerate evil [coz it obviously isn't doing me any harm].

Such is life.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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