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It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Jul 7^th, 2015 at 10:45am

It is not possible to counter militant moslems, who live among us [with what is, the current 'determined' response which our societies are bringing].

It is not realistic to imagine that we [the non-moslem host community] can contain and 'manage' the behaviour of the increasingly profuse and rampant moslem community which lives closely among us.

And, imo, it is fateful, to imagine that we should maintain such a view.

And yet, that is the 'Politically Correct' view which prevails in all Western nations today!

ISLAM.

PROPOSITION;

In terms of ISLAM being an alien 'disease' or 'contagion';

QUESTION;
In any natural setting, what will be the likely consequence for a community of people, when that community is the willing [but naive] host of a disease or contagion, which is clearly hostile to that host community ?

What will be the likely consequence, when that community is willing to host [and to naively facilitate] the spread of that hostile disease or contagion, within its own 'body' ?

IN NATURE, it would not be realistic, for a community of people to be the willing host of a hostile and destructive disease or contagion, and for us to not expect an adverse consequence.

It is just un-realistic.

In the absence of some change or intervention, there will be an adverse consequence, and the consequence will be, ultimately, very severe.

PROPOSITION;

ISLAM, is a hostile entity [to our 'society'].

And yet, in our [irrational!] "tolerance" towards moslems and ISLAM, we have decided to allow, gradually increasing numbers of that hostile entity [ISLAM], to live among us!

And on a practical level [because of what will soon be the exponential growth, in the need for resources and personel, which would be needed, to be available to police and our security sevices, to counter the threat coming from the growing number of moslem militants 'near' us];

It is going to be increasingly [absolutely] impossible for many Western nations, to effectively counter or to prevent, increasing numbers of incidents of political violence, which the moslem militants who are living among us, are going to want to perpetrate.

And further, it is simply un-realistic for us [the non-moslem host community] to make appeals to the 'good nature' of the moslem community [who are living among us], and to expect any meaningful or sincere help or assistance, to be forthcoming from them.

Why so ?

Because almost all of the cultural values and cultural tenets and ISLAMIC laws, that are endorsed and spread by ISLAM [and by guest moslem communities] are [clearly!] antithetical to many of the values and mores, of the nations which are hosts, to ISLAMIC communities.

Dictionary;
antithetical = = mutually incompatible.

e.g.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434436348/85#85

FINALLY;
And yet, despite the circumstances [and the threats!] which face all Western nations face today, it seems that there is only a small minority of the people who are living in Western nations, that are willing to confront, what is the disturbing truth, about the nature and character of ISLAM [...and, the 'veiled' and denied, but undeniable nature and character and intent, of the moslems who live among us]!

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

All Western nations today, imo, are set upon a self destructive path, a path of self consuming, and destructive, social division, lawlessness, and violence.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

Dictionary,
malice aforethought = = the intention to kill or harm, held to distinguish unlawful killing from murder.

CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0

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Isaiah 28:15
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isaiah 28:18
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #1 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really Cheesy

Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization. It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:)

The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power.

Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism.

your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist.

If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time.

Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #2 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really Cheesy

Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization. It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:)

The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power.

Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism.

your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist.

If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time.

Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

LOL Rubbish, just go read any islamic resource on the internet , translated by so called scholars. The difference with islam is it actually promotes terrorist acts via the quran and violence to present day muslims. No wonder no one ever refutes the scriptures the extremists use. We wouldn't want to upset fictitious allah and mohammed now would we.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #3 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really Cheesy

Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization. It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:)

The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power.

Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism.

your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist.

If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time.

Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

Excellent post.

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #4 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really Cheesy

Religion aside

Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization.

It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda,...... et al

Yadda paraphrases;

If we simply 1/ make everyone equal, 2/ and give everyone equal resources, 3/ and give everyone equal opportunities, we will create a utopia!

And it will be a place where there will be no extremism or crime.

Honest!

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Yadda says.......

Grow up.

Go out and get a real job, you university educated bum.

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Re: It is not possible to counter militant moslems....
Reply #5 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 11:16pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Dude..... so much fear.

Unless you are a moslem scholar its easy to misinterpret parts of the Koran (obviously you read the Quran as part of your research into Islam to enable you to form a first hand opinion of the religion)
I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really Cheesy

Religion aside Extremism can only be fought through economic and social equalization. It relies on individuals being segregated and discriminated against for grass roots support and a steady supply of foot soldiers.

In my short lifetime I have seen extremism embraced by many causes, ethnic(Tamils), political(FARC), criminal (Sina Loa) and religious(ok, islam gets the points here:)

The only unifying factor between these movements is a disparity between their intent to apply power and their ability to apply power.

Terrorism or psychological warfare(as it should be termed) attempts to leverage acts with minimal practical impact into acts which create real political or social change through the human fear mechanism.

your are 16 times more likely to die falling out of bed than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 8 times more likely to die falling off a ladder than of being killed by a terrorist

your are 4 times more likely to die gastro than of being killed by a terrorist.

If you started jumping up and down about how much danger we would be in if we slept on a bed, climbed a ladder or had a snack I would say you should get over it, get some perspective and do something usefull with your spare time.

Since your banging on about terrorism even that seems too generous.

LOL Rubbish, just go read any islamic resource on the internet , translated by so called scholars. The difference with islam is it actually promotes terrorist acts via the quran and violence to present day muslims. No wonder no one ever refutes the scriptures the extremists use. We wouldn't want to upset fictitious allah and mohammed now would we.

As stated in my post I derive my opinions of Islam from my personal interpretation of their dogma and my personal interactions with moslems.

If you base your opinions only on other peoples opinions of a subject and not the actual subject I don't see how you can contribute anything fresh to a discussion.

The original theme of this post was the impossibility of countering a purported rise of Islamic extremism in Australia.

Personally I think that fighting extremism is almost a self fulfilling prophecy. The harder you try to suppress it the more you feed the social forces that it grows from.
The pragmatic solution is to ignore it. Just accept that .005% of people are going to find something somewhere to go nuts about and kill people for. And when they do you don't spend billions of dollars trying to stop them. Its way cheaper, easier and more people get to live longer.

All Moslem read the same Quran, the vast majority live lives fundamentally identical to your own, and don't become extremists. These are not opinions. These are facts.
If someone shows me actual evidence all these militant moslems in Australia I will change my opinion. One training camp. One armored vehicle. Hell, 5 guys with assault rifles.

The most militant thing I know a Moslem in Australia has done is go away to fight somewhere else. Not cool but sorta shows that their isn't much in the way of militant Islam internally otherwise they would be linking up and fighting here.

p.s Dropped out of school year ten, have been running my own business since. 16 years. industrial automation.

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Reply #6 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:16am

Pho, the problem with the Islamophobes on this forum is they take absolutely everything the Quran seriously and as testament that ALL Muslims are latent terrorists. Want to behead us all and think all gays should be executed and that kind of thing. None of them have ever met an actual Muslim.

When asked to quantify the less than humanitarian aspects of the Bible, they go eerily quiet.

Or heaven forfend you bring up the Torah. You'll be labelled an anti-semite and they'll be awaaaaayyyyy.

What we are dealing with here is extremely irrational thought. I wish you the best of luck being rational amongst it. I have tried. Others have tried. The Islamophobes are seriously committed and not even remotely willing to listen to reason.

I look forward to your future posts though. Nice to have you on board.

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Reply #8 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:39am

wally1 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

What muslims on this board support beheadings?

That is like asking;
Which moslems on this board, are moslems ?

ANSWER;
All of them!

wally1,

If a person self-declares as a moslem,
.....and if he insists that he is a moslem,
....isn't he a,
....moslem ?

????

So, tell me, what is the definition of a; moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15
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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Reply #9 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 10:21am

wally1 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:44am:

What muslims on this board support beheadings?

That is like asking;
Which moslems on this board, are moslems ?

ANSWER;
All of them!

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"ISLAM is peace. ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith."

- wally1, et al.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434192153/1#1
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Moslems don't change.

It is only our opinion of them, which can change.

FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.

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All moslems who are resident in host nations, are like flags in the political wind....

When the political wind changes to favour the moslem, EVERY moslem will become a slaughterer of his non-moslem 'friends'.

Experience in the world, shows this to be true, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.

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When (and Why) Good Muslim Neighbors Turn Bad

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1436584284/0#0
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Days ago, after the Islamic State [IS] entered the Syrian city of Hassakè, prompting a mass exodus of Christians, a familiar but often overlooked scene, took place: many otherwise "normal" Muslims joined ranks with IS, instantly turning on their longtime Christian neighbors.

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Muslims who appear "moderate" but who are merely waiting for circumstances to turn to Islam's advantage before they join the jihad; Muslims who are waiting for the rewards of jihad to become greater than the risks.

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The (non-Iraqi) jihadists [in Syria and Iraq] were Afghans, Bosnians, Arabs and even Americans and British fighters....

But the worst killings came from the people living among us, our (Sunni) Muslim neighbours....

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Reply #10 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?

And please do my the courtesy of responding to my question, not paraphrasing it like the previous post and then ignoring it. Otherwise I might start to think that you were here pushing an agenda while remaining willfully ignorant as opposed to seeking comprehension of a complex subject.

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Reply #11 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:13am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?

We live in an age of man when the majority of mankind hate truth [whenever a truth offends their own worldview or whenever a truth endangers their worldly pleasures/comforts], imo.

Such a position [by a majority of mankind] is both irrational and dangerous to the things which the majority of mankind claim to care about; ...truth, equality, justice, peace, prosperity.

ISLAM as a philosophy promotes barefaced lying and falsehood, hatred [of those not in the moslem 'camp'], intimidation, violence, murder, political tyranny, terrorism, as all legitimate paths to persure the political agenda of the moslem.

'what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?'

I have seen too much injustice [justified and empowered by the careless abandonment of truth, by men who should have known better].

I hate it i am always saddened when people misrepresent the intent and the nature, and the character of the God that is presented in scripture.

Quote:

I'm not scholar of islam but after reading of the quran(challenging) I really struggled to find anything to get excited about in it. Similar level of crazy as the bible really

I love God [i love the spirit that is 'God'].

I love his righteousness.

I love his righteous character and nature.

I once believed that the God that is presented in scripture, was an overly harsh and perhaps cruel entity.

But i have come to believe to know that the very same God that is presented in scripture, is very, very just, AND LOVING.

We are his children.

And we are being 'proven'.

Defending the moslem, defending ISLAM, is defending the indefensible!

But men do it.

And moslems ARE NOT sorry.

Because many of us, hate truth.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/3#3
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Yadda wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2012 at 1:42pm:

Hey you moslem hypocrite......;

If you want us ['unbelievers'] to respect ISLAM, then point to the virtuous example of ISLAM in a Sharia ordered society in this world.

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When anyone asks a moslem, to point to an example of a good, and just, benevolent Sharia society, a virtuous society based in ISLAMIC law, today, no moslem can point to such an example.

Not in all of the ISLAMIC world, is there even one example of such a society, a virtuous ISLAMIC society.

The reality in the world, is quite opposite.

>> Because almost all examples of ISLAMIC and Sharia guided societies in the world today, are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.<<

Even moslems don't want to live in moslem majority nations.

Moslems around the world are flocking to go to live in 'hated' >>> INFIDEL <<< Western nations.

Why ?

Because many moslems >> KNOW << that moslem majority nations.....

".....are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty."

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1325509487/1#1
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In every instance where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence upon a society of people, in instances where moslems are in authority in that society, and are behaving badly, violently, corruptly, those persons [i.e. moslems], refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their own governance/choices.

Within moslem societies [i.e. where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence], when everything turns to sh!t for them, moslems [as a society] refuse to accept responsibility for their own poor [violent, corrupt] governance, of their own political affairs.

Q.
Why so?

A.
Because those societies and people are spiritually corrupted, are being guided by something other than God.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

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Reply #12 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?

And please do my the courtesy of responding to my question, not paraphrasing it like the previous post and then ignoring it. Otherwise I might start to think that you were here pushing an agenda while remaining willfully ignorant as opposed to seeking comprehension of a complex subject.

I dont think Yadda has personal experience. Just reading the Bible.

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Reply #13 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:48am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Yadda, I must admit im impressed by how passionate you are. what are your personnel experiences that have led you to these opinions?

I dont think Yadda has personal experience.

Just reading the Bible.

Pastafarian,

As per usual, you are choosing to totally ignore the influence which

the contents of the Koran

has upon me. Cheesy

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1422490128/27#27
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"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

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And the authority which demands that moslems must reject all un-ISLAMIC ideas [not approved by ISLAMIC dictate], comes from, .....ISLAM itself.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"O ye who believe! Take not - MY ENEMIES - and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

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And these dictates of the moslem faith, EVEN HAVE CURRENCY AMONG THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, THAT LIVES HERE, IN AUSTRALIA!!!

Moslems, teach other moslems, from childhood, to have utter hatred for the un-ISLAMIC.

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Says one of these MONSTERS.

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

WATCH THE YOUTUBE, AND SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, HOW MOSLEM CHILDREN, LIVING IN AUSTRALIA, ARE ROUTINELY BEING TAUGHT [AS A PART OF THEIR RELIGION] BY MOSLEM ADULTS, TO HATE THEIR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS WHO ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

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A good moslem must have hatred for those who do not believe as he believes [for those who reject ISLAM].

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

AND;

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
Quote:

The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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Pastafarian,

As per usual, you are choosing to totally ignore the influence which

the behaviour of the moslem

has upon me, as a human being. Cheesy

Jihad is lawful.

Jihad is virtuous.

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

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'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

Just an ordinary moslem, doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.

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Examine the behaviour of the rampant [i.e. unrestrained] moslem.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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