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Reply #90 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

explain in concise terms how I am an apologist for terrorists.

You put 100% of the blame on a book and a belief system, and never blame the individuals who commit the crimes.

You can't even name them.

I don't know why you continue to be a terrorist apologist (a skeleton in the family closet perhaps), however, you just do.

You would try German soldiers and ignore the Nazi Party.

I'd try the people who did the killing.

I've never seen a religion, book, or party kill anyone - have you?

Take as much time as you need to think about your answer, apologist.

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Reply #91 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 11:42pm:

I'd try the people who did the killing.

I've never seen a religion, book, or party kill anyone - have you? ...

Quite right!

I've never seen a firearm, bomb or edged weapon kill anyone either.

The again, I've never seen a firearm, bomb or edged weapon preach or promote killing, have you?

Maybe religions, books and political affiliations have a lot to answer for, just as much as the weaponry involved.

Or perhaps it's just people that the problem.

Homo Sapiens has proven to be the most efficient killer on the planet.

Don't you think it ironic that a lot of this species' supposed intelligence is directed towards the justification of global genocide?

It matters not what label you wish to apply or what methods you wish to employ, the instinct remains. It's merely the methodology that changes.

Whenever humans compete, there will be a loser and a winner. When we extrapolate these conflicts to global scales, therein lies the capacity for atrocity.

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Back to square one, greggery.

Who gave the ape the stick? And why is it the stick's fault?

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Toughen up, Australia!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death Reply #92 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am: And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons. Bingo! Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.
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Reply #93 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am:

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Bingo!

Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.

And motivates the intention, firedoor gweg?

You are so stupid as to maintain that without Mein Kampf and Nazi ideology individual Germans would have STILL invaded Poland 'coz it's the persons, not the ideology' and blaming the actions of German Nazis on Nazism is an apology for them 'coz books and ideologies do not kill people'.

The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

You really are that stupid.

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Reply #94 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:19am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:14am:

And, as you say, the intent and responsibility lies with the user - not the weapons.

Bingo!

Yadda, Sore End, et al. are all apologists.

And motivates the intention, firedoor gweg?

You are so stupid as to maintain that without Mein Kampf and Nazi ideology individual Germans would have STILL invaded Poland 'coz it's the persons, not the ideology' and blaming the actions of German Nazis on Nazism is an apology for them 'coz books and ideologies do not kill people'.

The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

You really are that stupid.

You really are an apologist.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41954	Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death Reply #95 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:56am: You really are an apologist. Very accurate. Very articulately put. Well done, Greg!
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Reply #96 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 2:23pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Its not as simple as that. No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name. Thats your strawman.

Also you couldn't have picked a worse analogy than the Nazis. Germans had a whole stack of justifications in their mind for running rampant in Eastern Europe without getting the Nazi ideology involved. For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism. As a matter of fact, the Nazi example is a good piece of evidence to support Greg's point.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #97 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

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The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

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Reply #98 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:50pm

Gandalf wrote: Quote:

No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name.

So why shouldn't the islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an aggregate be relentlessly attacked for the inhumane depravity it breeds?

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Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

Why is it that muslims are thousands of times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other person in our society?

400 out of approximately 400,000 is about one in a thousand muslims are actively participating in islamic terrorism.

Women, girls, teenagers, children and adults right across the entire spectrum of islamic society are convinced they are doing the spiritually correct deeds.

Why is the muslim's rate of religious atrocities so high?

How do you suggest people should denounce these islamic degenerates?

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Reply #99 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:19pm

moses wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

Gandalf wrote: Quote:

No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name.

So why shouldn't the islam/allah/muhammad/qur'an aggregate be relentlessly attacked for the inhumane depravity it breeds?

Gregggerypeccary wrote: Quote:

Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

Why is it that muslims are thousands of times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other person in our society?

400 out of approximately 400,000 is about one in a thousand muslims are actively participating in islamic terrorism.

Women, girls, teenagers, children and adults right across the entire spectrum of islamic society are convinced they are doing the spiritually correct deeds.

Why is the muslim's rate of religious atrocities so high?

How do you suggest people should denounce these islamic degenerates?

More excuses.

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Reply #100 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

I take it you can't answer the simple questions below.

Why is it that muslims are thousands of times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other person in our society?

400 out of approximately 400,000 is about one in a thousand muslims are actively participating in islamic terrorism.

Women, girls, teenagers, children and adults right across the entire spectrum of islamic society are convinced they are doing the spiritually correct deeds.

Why is the muslim's rate of religious atrocities so high?

How do you suggest people should denounce these islamic degenerates?

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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #101 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

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The same way you try to pretend that you actually believe that individuial Muslims committing atrocities in the name of Islam would have committed these atrocities ieven if Islam never existed.

Not the same atrocities.

They would have found some other excuse to cause mayhem, and the circumstances of their behaviour would depend on that particular motivator.

Surely you're not suggesting that in the absence of Islam, the scum carrying out terrorist attacks would just be average law-abiding citizens who you would enjoy having a beer with down at the pub?

Is that what you're saying, Sore End/apologist?

Evidently - there would be no Islamic ideology for them to rally around in such large number.

You average lowlife down the pub is not dreaming of a world-wide ummah and rule by the low-lives. They are isolated chancers and thugs.
But jihad brings together the worst of the worst and makes them into a mass phenomenon, organised, purposeful, blood-thirsty - and self-righteously so, in the name of their shared ideology.

The analogy with Nazism is apt. The Nazi oath is like the demand of Islam: total submission. Islam, like Nazism, Communism, wants world domination. It justified atrocities in the name of that 'sacred' goal. Hence the allahu akhbaring when the bombs go off and the heads are chopped and the slave girls are captured.

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Reply #102 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 5:49pm

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No one is saying that if they didn't become muslims they would have committed the exact same atrocities under a different name. Thats your strawman.

LOL

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 3:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 9:33am:

How about an answer to the question:

Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?

Absolutely.

They use Islam as an excuse, and you're letting them get away with it.

Want to try again Greg?

Try what again?

My answer remains the same: "absolutely".

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're motivated by Islam, however, motivation is not justification.

I'm not giving them an inch - the responsibility lies with them.

Good on you for having another go.

Are you having difficulty understanding the question?

Your question:

"Do you believe that all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims?"

My answer:

"Yes".

If you need me to walk you through it, I'm here to help you.

Yes please.

Spell it out for us Greg.

Yes: all those Aussie Muslims raping and pillaging their way across the middle east would otherwise be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney if they were not Muslims.

Islam is just the excuse they use today.

If it didn't exist, they'd find another excuse.

They're evil bastards.

Can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.

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For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism.

Love room?

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As a matter of fact, the Nazi example is a good piece of evidence to support Greg's point.

So if Muslims were not Muslims they would be Nazis? You and Greg make a good team.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #104 - Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:30pm

Soren wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

[quote author=soren2 link=1436235905/93#93 date=1436577472] For one thing Liebensraum was an idea that long predated the invention of Nazism.

You are watching too much German porn, Gandy.

Lebensraum is the word you are groping for.

Arbeit macht frei, alt jugend.

Gott mit uns, nein?

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