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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #150 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Whatever reason a woman decides to wear a particular piece of clothing, she is not "demanding" anything from anyone - just the right to wear it without fear of discrimination or persecution.

If she can wear it, I can say it's a stupid thing to wear it - that's freedom.

That’s right, old boy. It’s also the textbook definition of religious vilification.

In darker times, such vilification could lead to riots. Over a million people were killed in Calcutta during partition, and the riots that were the cause were started over the old boy hostility you hold to be a virtue.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #151 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:27am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

But please feel free to substitute whatever traditional Islamic garb you want if it enables you to answer the question.

Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Gandalf has proposed two major reforms that I have noticed. One is reinterpreting Muhammed's instruction to execute gays. The other is suggesting that Muhammed erred. For some reason he is now running away from both of them.

Yes, well we know how well you take notice of what muslims say. In just one thread we went from "gandalf thinks gays should be executed" to "gandalf thinks an order to execute gays should be interpreted as tolerance for gays" to "actually I don't even know what gandalf says."

Quite understandable that you missed entirely my considered and detailed thoughts about actual reform in Islam - such as reinterpreting the ahadith in Islamic doctrine and how the Quran should be properly understood as promoting freedom of thought and critical thinking. Of course it was much more important for you to focus on twisting gandalf's words about gays.

Both the giver and the taker, G. Get it right. FD’s a stickler for the words - especially if no one said them.

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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #152 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:21pm

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Sorry FD - are you saying that "no" is not an answer to a 'yes/no' question? I wonder what is an answer - "Islam sux" perhaps?

My bad. So despite not actually knowing such a woman, you have a go at Soren for apparently "completely rejecting" the possibility that one might exist?

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Yes, well we know how well you take notice of what muslims say. In just one thread we went from "gandalf thinks gays should be executed" to "gandalf thinks an order to execute gays should be interpreted as tolerance for gays" to "actually I don't even know what gandalf says."

Do you know what your opinion is on the matter Gandalf?

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Quite understandable that you missed entirely my considered and detailed thoughts about actual reform in Islam - such as reinterpreting the ahadith in Islamic doctrine and how the Quran should be properly understood as promoting freedom of thought and critical thinking. Of course it was much more important for you to focus on twisting gandalf's words about gays.

Feel free to link to the thread. I do recall something about your efforts at reform. You are correct that I must have missed it while I thoroughly researched that post. How is the reform going by the way? Have you summoned the courage to tell any Muslims about it?

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That’s right, old boy. It’s also the textbook definition of religious vilification.

Crap. Mocking people for wearing a tent in the middle of summer is not religious vilificiation. It would be equally stupid for a non-Muslim to do so.

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In darker times, such vilification could lead to riots.

As could plenty of other thoughts that are now celebrated as expressions of free speech. I hope you are not suggesting that violent intolerance is a good reason to discard freedom of speech? Perhaps you are just doing the islamic apologist thing again.

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Both the giver and the taker, G. Get it right. FD’s a stickler for the words - especially if no one said them.

Muhammed said the words Karnal. "Kill him". You say it in jest. Muslims consider it to be the word of God.

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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #153 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:

My bad. So despite not actually knowing such a woman, you have a go at Soren for apparently "completely rejecting" the possibility that one might exist?

You were talking about the letterbox outfit, I was talking about the hijab. Keep up. If you don't know the difference, google it. I've already made my disdain for the burqa/niqab clear. So whats your opinion FD - do you agree with Soren that wearing the hijab (not the burqa or niqab) demonstrates, without exception, the wearer's complete rejection of our society's values?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death Reply #154 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:45pm I'm not sure about the "without exception" bit. The existence of an exception is theoretically possible.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death Reply #155 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:49pm So you believe that overwhelmingly, a particular piece of head dress (the hijab) is worn in the west because the wearer wants to express their rejection of western values? A piece of clothing FD.
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death Reply #156 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:49pm freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:45pm: I'm not sure about the "without exception" bit. The existence of an exception is theoretically possible. Thats a good line! as much as I agree with the bent of gandalf's proposition
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Re: Muslims chop Brit to Death
Reply #157 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:15pm