freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:


Burn them.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 10:53pm:


Lionel, do you seriously believe this?   Which is better?  A society where the crime and the shame is hidden, where (primarily) men get away with horrendious sex crimes and the victims are silenced or a society where it is all out in the open, where the innocent are vindicated and the guilty punished?   I know which I'd prefer to live in, having lived in the previous version when I was a child...   

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:


Lionel,  you appear to forget something - these crimes are not tolerated, they are not accepted, otherwise they'd never end up in court.   You also seem to be assuming that this is the norm for these people, whereas in reality it is not, it is even unusual for them, for the most part.  You appear to see Muslims as bug-eyed, green monsters from outer-space or something, whereas all white, Christian peoples are sane, normal and innocent of any crimes they might be charged with.   The reality is somewhat different amongst the rest of humanity.  There are good people, there are bad people and thankfully the bad people aren't tolerated aren't accepted and are treated appropriately according to the law.   Time you grew up, Lionel and joined the rest of Australian Multicultural Society.   

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The "outcry" as your hyperbole terms it is about Muslims being zeroed in for unfair treatment, Lionel, nothing more.  All societies throw up criminals.  It's a fact of life.   Australian society hid it's for a long, long, long time.   Look at the current Royal Commission into Sexual Abuse to see that.   Christian Churches moved Paedophiles around rather than report them to police.  Homes hid their crimes.   Institutions ignored them.   Hardly a glowing testimony to the supposed superiority of White, Christian society, now is it?   

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Stop talking like an Islamist stereotype, Lionel.   I know you have brains, don't you think it's time you used them instead of hiding behind your rose-coloured glass-eyed view of the past?   

You are so full of crap Soren. I'm sorry but its the only thing left to say without repeating your logical fallacies over and over and over and...

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:



You call it crap because it puts you on the spot where you cannot actually answer satisfactorily.

PB is immediately to hand to clap and nod.


Neither the hijab nor the niqab are required by Islam, only by Islamic custom in some countries - and no Western country is one of them.

On the other hand, it is the long-established custom in Western countries, in part for the sake of religious freedoms and coexistence, to keep religious affiliations to oneself in the public, shared space. Muslims ought to recognise and then respect that custom if they want religious and social harmony. But the niqabis and the hijabis and the bearded guys in pajamas want you to know that they consciously reject such established customs.

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:


Enough pillow-talk, old boy. You’ve been given your sleepers.

Now quieten down before I’m forced to call back Sister.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:29am:


Sounds like the Church of Latter Day Saints to me.  They believer their founder spoke with Angels and nothing he said/did can be questioned.   Funny how we don't hear anybody attacking them on here...