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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Little Ice Age imminent? Reply #30 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 7:13pm oh noes, the lib voters are pretending the best drugs don't come from the private schools again! Is the mansion cold again and you need to take some drugs to warm up and forget your loneliness from everyone you ever stepped on?
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Reply #32 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:37am:

Weren't the poms having a heat wave recently with mid 30's temperatures ?

And India was definitely having one of the worst heatwaves with 50 degrees temperatures and 1000 people dying !!!

If it was a mini ice age then you would expect all temperatures across the globe to be dropping with none of these heatwaves !!

This so called mini ice age and heatwaves coexisting are just extreme weather events as postulated by the global warming science !!

adelaide is having its coldest winter in a long time and this weekend expected to go well below zero. record cold.

but that doesnt count right? because it is just 'weather' while the heatwaves are difference?

btw do your maths. 1000 indians dying of heat is the same ratio as one dying from heat in adelaide - which happens every 45 degree day.

And so is Melbourne.

The point is the temperatures are hitting record highs in India for longer periods of time. If there was a mini ice age you would expect the exact opposite.

What we are now seeing is extreme weather events as predicted by the global warming science but don't let the science get in the way of setting fire to the remaining reserves of coal Sad

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Reply #34 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

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... the effect will be offset by recent global warming
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... Indicating - and a confirmation - that factors increasing global average temperatures remain a CONSTANT

So much for "Professor" David Rose's claim of "no rise in global average temperatures in 20 years" - when each year has STILLbroken the record held by the previous year, more often than NOT

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Reply #35 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:51pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:37am:

Weren't the poms having a heat wave recently with mid 30's temperatures ?

And India was definitely having one of the worst heatwaves with 50 degrees temperatures and 1000 people dying !!!

If it was a mini ice age then you would expect all temperatures across the globe to be dropping with none of these heatwaves !!

This so called mini ice age and heatwaves coexisting are just extreme weather events as postulated by the global warming science !!

The heat can blow in from mainland Europe into England with little problem during times when a high pressure system is situated over eastern England. This heat could be blown in from the Sahara during the middle of summer. We had that kind of conditions when a northern high blew hot dry air across Australia and gave Qld record high temperatures.

1000 Indians dying could be the equivalent of 5 Australians dying from heat exhaustion. The Indians that died were mainly the homeless and underprivileged.

If people can claim that heatwaves are a result of global warming, then it shouldn't be such a stretch of the imagination to think cooler temperatures being the result of global cooling.

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Reply #36 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

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... the effect will be offset by recent global warming
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... Indicating - and a confirmation - that factors increasing global average temperatures remain a CONSTANT

So much for "Professor" David Rose's claim of "no rise in global average temperatures in 20 years" - when each year has STILLbroken the record held by the previous year, more often than NOT

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Reply #37 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

so let's wait and see the hysterics come in and claim how ludicrous it is. after all, we cant have COOLING and humans in the same biosphere, right?

Yes sunspot activity apparently has no effect on climate according to the Alarmists? It's the hand of man.... Roll Eyes

The point is that it (significant climate change) occurred naturally and ended naturally.

Of course sunspot activity has an effect on climate. No one is disputing that. The Maunder Minimum has been known about for centuries.

It is a false dichotomy to say that because there have been natural changes to the climate in the past that the current warming can't be man made.

All things being equal, if you increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere you will produce warming. That is pretty basic science.

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Reply #38 - Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:23pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

so let's wait and see the hysterics come in and claim how ludicrous it is. after all, we cant have COOLING and humans in the same biosphere, right?

Yes sunspot activity apparently has no effect on climate according to the Alarmists? It's the hand of man.... Roll Eyes

The point is that it (significant climate change) occurred naturally and ended naturally.

Of course sunspot activity has an effect on climate. No one is disputing that. The Maunder Minimum has been known about for centuries.

It is a false dichotomy to say that because there have been natural changes to the climate in the past that the current warming can't be man made.

All things being equal, if you increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere you will produce warming. That is pretty basic science.

Swaggy is trying to pretend there is no such thing as a complex system: he argues interest rates equals employment rates because there is no such thing as complexity!

Should I turn it up to 11 or will he finally admit to understanding all along and thus admit to trying to put his hand down the pants of the unborn?

We shall wait and ponder Wink

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Reply #39 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:43am

UK is predicitng their highest temperature ever in an expected heat wave with 101+ F temperature expectation.

UK has already experienced the hottest July day ever recorded.

I don't see anyone predicting an ice age coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11719200/Second-British-heatwave-could-b...

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Britain is set to sizzle in a second heatwave at the end of the July when temperatures could soar past 100F to reach the highest level ever recorded in the UK.
Last week’s hot spell brought the warmest ever July day but conditions will revert to normal summer conditions for the next fortnight, with showers and temperatures hovering around the low 70Fs. (low 20Cs)
However by the end of July and beginning of August a second wave of very hot air is expected to push up from central and southern Europe bringing sweltering heat.
Some forecasters predicted it could beat the all-time record for Britain, when the mercury hit 101F (38.5C) at Brogdale, Kent, on August 10, 2003.

Brian Gaze of The Weather Outlook said: “The year’s hottest temperatures usually occur in late July or early August.
“As pressure models favour more African hot air over Europe pulsing to the UK, the 101F (38.5C) record could go.”
• UK heatwave in pictures: Britain basks in glorious summer weather

Met Office forecaster Simon Partridge added: “Temperatures certainly look warm after July 19 in the South and another plume would make it hot. It’s too early to put detail on whether it will be hotter than we’ve had.”
The Met Office July-September contingency forecast, being briefed to Government, councils, and emergency services, said: “Computer models show higher-than-average pressure dominating Europe through summer and early autumn - a strong signal for above-average temperatures across central and southern Europe.
“High pressure over northern Europe would allow higher temperatures from central and southern Europe to spread into the UK.”
The heatwave went out with a bang over the weekend when thunder and lightning storms brought more than half-a-month’s rain in an hour hit parts of East Anglia and Dorset, flooding roads.
A 51-year-old hillwalker was left fighting for his life after being struck by lightning in the Brecon Beacons at Pen y Fan.
Heavy and frequent showers will return for much of the country by Monday but will be at their worst in the north and west of England and Scotland and Northern Ireland.
MeteroGroup forecaster John Lee said temperatures will begin to climb again from Wednesday: "Generally, it's going to be quite unsettled on Sunday and the first part of the week.
"By Wednesday it will start to settle down and the sunshine will come out.
"It certainly won't be the 98F (37C) degree highs that we had last week but I think that is a relief to most people.
"We could start to see temperatures reaching (84F) 29C though by the end of the week."
The highest temperature in the recent heatwave was recorded on Wednesday at (98.1F) 36.7C at Heathrow, breaking the record for a July day, while many other places broke the (86F) 30C mark.

While many bathed in the rare temperatures, others endured struggling train services and heavy traffic as road and train track surfaces began to melt in the heat.

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Re: Little Ice Age imminent?
Reply #40 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:58am

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:43am:

UK is predicitng their highest temperature ever in an expected heat wave with 101+ F temperature expectation.

UK has already experienced the hottest July day ever recorded.

I don't see anyone predicting an ice age coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11719200/Second-British-heatwave-could-b...

Quote:

Britain is set to sizzle in a second heatwave at the end of the July when temperatures could soar past 100F to reach the highest level ever recorded in the UK.
Last week’s hot spell brought the warmest ever July day but conditions will revert to normal summer conditions for the next fortnight, with showers and temperatures hovering around the low 70Fs. (low 20Cs)
However by the end of July and beginning of August a second wave of very hot air is expected to push up from central and southern Europe bringing sweltering heat.
Some forecasters predicted it could beat the all-time record for Britain, when the mercury hit 101F (38.5C) at Brogdale, Kent, on August 10, 2003.

Brian Gaze of The Weather Outlook said: “The year’s hottest temperatures usually occur in late July or early August.
“As pressure models favour more African hot air over Europe pulsing to the UK, the 101F (38.5C) record could go.”
• UK heatwave in pictures: Britain basks in glorious summer weather

Met Office forecaster Simon Partridge added: “Temperatures certainly look warm after July 19 in the South and another plume would make it hot. It’s too early to put detail on whether it will be hotter than we’ve had.”
The Met Office July-September contingency forecast, being briefed to Government, councils, and emergency services, said: “Computer models show higher-than-average pressure dominating Europe through summer and early autumn - a strong signal for above-average temperatures across central and southern Europe.
“High pressure over northern Europe would allow higher temperatures from central and southern Europe to spread into the UK.”
The heatwave went out with a bang over the weekend when thunder and lightning storms brought more than half-a-month’s rain in an hour hit parts of East Anglia and Dorset, flooding roads.
A 51-year-old hillwalker was left fighting for his life after being struck by lightning in the Brecon Beacons at Pen y Fan.
Heavy and frequent showers will return for much of the country by Monday but will be at their worst in the north and west of England and Scotland and Northern Ireland.
MeteroGroup forecaster John Lee said temperatures will begin to climb again from Wednesday: "Generally, it's going to be quite unsettled on Sunday and the first part of the week.
"By Wednesday it will start to settle down and the sunshine will come out.
"It certainly won't be the 98F (37C) degree highs that we had last week but I think that is a relief to most people.
"We could start to see temperatures reaching (84F) 29C though by the end of the week."
The highest temperature in the recent heatwave was recorded on Wednesday at (98.1F) 36.7C at Heathrow, breaking the record for a July day, while many other places broke the (86F) 30C mark.

While many bathed in the rare temperatures, others endured struggling train services and heavy traffic as road and train track surfaces began to melt in the heat.

Yeh, but, what about in the sahara and the sahel?

Just ask uncle bobby: the one that pretends he doesn't know what the definition of 'multi-year ice'is after 87 pages of youtube videos- yeh, that guy!

Cheesy

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Re: Little Ice Age imminent?
Reply #41 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:21am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:58am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:43am:

UK is predicitng their highest temperature ever in an expected heat wave with 101+ F temperature expectation.

UK has already experienced the hottest July day ever recorded.

I don't see anyone predicting an ice age coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11719200/Second-British-heatwave-could-b...

Quote:

Britain is set to sizzle in a second heatwave at the end of the July when temperatures could soar past 100F to reach the highest level ever recorded in the UK.
Last week’s hot spell brought the warmest ever July day but conditions will revert to normal summer conditions for the next fortnight, with showers and temperatures hovering around the low 70Fs. (low 20Cs)
However by the end of July and beginning of August a second wave of very hot air is expected to push up from central and southern Europe bringing sweltering heat.
Some forecasters predicted it could beat the all-time record for Britain, when the mercury hit 101F (38.5C) at Brogdale, Kent, on August 10, 2003.

Brian Gaze of The Weather Outlook said: “The year’s hottest temperatures usually occur in late July or early August.
“As pressure models favour more African hot air over Europe pulsing to the UK, the 101F (38.5C) record could go.”
• UK heatwave in pictures: Britain basks in glorious summer weather

Met Office forecaster Simon Partridge added: “Temperatures certainly look warm after July 19 in the South and another plume would make it hot. It’s too early to put detail on whether it will be hotter than we’ve had.”
The Met Office July-September contingency forecast, being briefed to Government, councils, and emergency services, said: “Computer models show higher-than-average pressure dominating Europe through summer and early autumn - a strong signal for above-average temperatures across central and southern Europe.
“High pressure over northern Europe would allow higher temperatures from central and southern Europe to spread into the UK.”
The heatwave went out with a bang over the weekend when thunder and lightning storms brought more than half-a-month’s rain in an hour hit parts of East Anglia and Dorset, flooding roads.
A 51-year-old hillwalker was left fighting for his life after being struck by lightning in the Brecon Beacons at Pen y Fan.
Heavy and frequent showers will return for much of the country by Monday but will be at their worst in the north and west of England and Scotland and Northern Ireland.
MeteroGroup forecaster John Lee said temperatures will begin to climb again from Wednesday: "Generally, it's going to be quite unsettled on Sunday and the first part of the week.
"By Wednesday it will start to settle down and the sunshine will come out.
"It certainly won't be the 98F (37C) degree highs that we had last week but I think that is a relief to most people.
"We could start to see temperatures reaching (84F) 29C though by the end of the week."
The highest temperature in the recent heatwave was recorded on Wednesday at (98.1F) 36.7C at Heathrow, breaking the record for a July day, while many other places broke the (86F) 30C mark.

While many bathed in the rare temperatures, others endured struggling train services and heavy traffic as road and train track surfaces began to melt in the heat.

Yeh, but, what about in the sahara and the sahel?

Just ask uncle bobby: the one that pretends he doesn't know what the definition of 'multi-year ice'is after 87 pages of youtube videos- yeh, that guy!

Cheesy

Bobby is a bigger conundrum than climate change.

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Reply #42 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:32am

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 1:21am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:58am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 12:43am:

UK is predicitng their highest temperature ever in an expected heat wave with 101+ F temperature expectation.

UK has already experienced the hottest July day ever recorded.

I don't see anyone predicting an ice age coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11719200/Second-British-heatwave-could-b...

Quote:

Britain is set to sizzle in a second heatwave at the end of the July when temperatures could soar past 100F to reach the highest level ever recorded in the UK.
Last week’s hot spell brought the warmest ever July day but conditions will revert to normal summer conditions for the next fortnight, with showers and temperatures hovering around the low 70Fs. (low 20Cs)
However by the end of July and beginning of August a second wave of very hot air is expected to push up from central and southern Europe bringing sweltering heat.
Some forecasters predicted it could beat the all-time record for Britain, when the mercury hit 101F (38.5C) at Brogdale, Kent, on August 10, 2003.

Brian Gaze of The Weather Outlook said: “The year’s hottest temperatures usually occur in late July or early August.
“As pressure models favour more African hot air over Europe pulsing to the UK, the 101F (38.5C) record could go.”
• UK heatwave in pictures: Britain basks in glorious summer weather

Met Office forecaster Simon Partridge added: “Temperatures certainly look warm after July 19 in the South and another plume would make it hot. It’s too early to put detail on whether it will be hotter than we’ve had.”
The Met Office July-September contingency forecast, being briefed to Government, councils, and emergency services, said: “Computer models show higher-than-average pressure dominating Europe through summer and early autumn - a strong signal for above-average temperatures across central and southern Europe.
“High pressure over northern Europe would allow higher temperatures from central and southern Europe to spread into the UK.”
The heatwave went out with a bang over the weekend when thunder and lightning storms brought more than half-a-month’s rain in an hour hit parts of East Anglia and Dorset, flooding roads.
A 51-year-old hillwalker was left fighting for his life after being struck by lightning in the Brecon Beacons at Pen y Fan.
Heavy and frequent showers will return for much of the country by Monday but will be at their worst in the north and west of England and Scotland and Northern Ireland.
MeteroGroup forecaster John Lee said temperatures will begin to climb again from Wednesday: "Generally, it's going to be quite unsettled on Sunday and the first part of the week.
"By Wednesday it will start to settle down and the sunshine will come out.
"It certainly won't be the 98F (37C) degree highs that we had last week but I think that is a relief to most people.
"We could start to see temperatures reaching (84F) 29C though by the end of the week."
The highest temperature in the recent heatwave was recorded on Wednesday at (98.1F) 36.7C at Heathrow, breaking the record for a July day, while many other places broke the (86F) 30C mark.

While many bathed in the rare temperatures, others endured struggling train services and heavy traffic as road and train track surfaces began to melt in the heat.

Yeh, but, what about in the sahara and the sahel?

Just ask uncle bobby: the one that pretends he doesn't know what the definition of 'multi-year ice'is after 87 pages of youtube videos- yeh, that guy!

Cheesy

Bobby is a bigger conundrum than climate change.

I think bobby has two poles and the rest of the story is deeply boring yet fascinatingly so... Grin

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Reply #43 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 9:59am

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

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... the effect will be offset by recent global warming
*
...

*
... Indicating - and a confirmation - that factors increasing global average temperatures remain a CONSTANT

So much for "Professor" David Rose's claim of "no rise in global average temperatures in 20 years" - when each year has STILLbroken the record held by the previous year, more often than NOT

that is complete garbage. the FACT is that the last 18 years has had no statistically valid change in temperature.

I know that confuses you but feel free to bluster and pretend otherwise. That is your strength,

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Reply #44 - Jul 10^th, 2015 at 10:02am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 10:17pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

so let's wait and see the hysterics come in and claim how ludicrous it is. after all, we cant have COOLING and humans in the same biosphere, right?

Yes sunspot activity apparently has no effect on climate according to the Alarmists? It's the hand of man.... Roll Eyes

The point is that it (significant climate change) occurred naturally and ended naturally.

Of course sunspot activity has an effect on climate. No one is disputing that. The Maunder Minimum has been known about for centuries.

It is a false dichotomy to say that because there have been natural changes to the climate in the past that the current warming can't be man made. It is equally true that it is a false dichotomy to claim that current warming is man-made when all of history declares the opposite.

All things being equal, if you increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere you will produce warming. That is pretty basic science.

Except it isnt true or that simple. CO2 concentration shave been increasing in the last 20 years and yet temperature has not. That conclusively disproves the theory of a linear simplistic relationship.

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