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mariacostel wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 5:32pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 4:02pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 3:15pm: Quantum wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 2:38pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 1:21pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 1:09pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 12:53pm: Soren wrote on Aug 26 th, 2015 at 12:00pm: [quote author=mothra link=1437032296/238#238 date=1440487817]
Yes it's true. I can even give you a link to the religious ceremony if you like.
.... but i doubt you'd read it.
As for the importance of establishing precedent, i've already explained that. You, Soren and now Honky are claiming . Two guys being 'married' by a homosexual priest in Galicia in the 11th century, or a mad Emperor marring his boyfriend is no evidence of 'marriage equality' or that homosexual 'marriage' was ever accepted. It was always a transgression, if if became known, or a scandal, if done by an Emperor. It's no accident that the word mother is at the heart of the Latin word for marriage - matrimonium. Of course it is. Those conducting those marriages came from the church and the state. Now stop repeating yourself and prove your argument that there is no precedent for gay marriage. Remember, before Mother posted actual proof, I believed you. I’ve had to change my mind, based on the facts. As have you. This is why you keep changing direction. If you can’t refute Mother’s proof, you need to own your mistake, expressed so vigorously in previous posts. This is what you always do when proven wrong, no? What a load of BS. If someone was born with 3 arms a thousand years ago we can now make the argument that humans used to come in many different arm configurations and it was not uncommon for people in the past to have 3 arms? A handful of examples for anything over the history of thousands of years and billions of people does not make an actual precedent. Ah. Guess who hasn't been doing their reading? Yes, before I read Mother's sources, I thought just like you. Then I saw evidence of Roman senators and magistrates and emperors having jolly old gay marriages. I saw evidence of Christian Orthodox gay marriage ceremonies, complete with kissing the bride (along with the Bible). I saw evidence of other societies and civilizations, all marrying off their sons - to each other. Dirty, disgusting, deviant? Certainly. But do you know? The evidence Mother has uncovered is that it all happened, and no one here is contesting it. If you disagree, I suggest you read Mother's sources, dear. If you still disagree, give us a reference as equally compelling and persuasive as Mother's professor of history at Yale. The best Maria came up with is that the professor was a dirty old poof - good research on Maria's behalf, but not that good. Almost all of the sources are themselves lacking sources, and the ones that do quote from some spend too much time quoting the same sources over and over again. It is amazing how something which is apparently so wide spread has only been uncovered by a handful of people. Also of note is the constant us of words like "some evidence" or "suggest" as opposed to any real fact. But what really takes the cake is examples like; "Emperor Nero (ruled A.D. 54 to A.D. 68) castrated a boy named Sporus to make him womanlike, and then married him in a traditional ceremony, which included a bridal veil and a dowry"along with fancy word contractions like; "transgenerational same-sex unions", which is basically code for pedo's. Should we now conclude because a few Catholic priests have fiddled with some boys that the Catholic church is in favour of same sex marriage today? Is the Gay Marriage precedent crew really wanting to use examples of sick twisted child mutilating paedophilia as examples of precedent for gay marriage today? You introduce the point that if Gay Marriage were so common and so acceptable in the past, where is the evidence? To date the evidence is actually nil. There are, as you say, comments such as 'suggest' or 'make possible', but zero actual fact and the best Mothra can come up with are the highly disputed writings of a gay activist Professor who wrote almost exclusively and increasingly hysterically about gays and the church before his death of AIDS.Some actual evidence would be nice. There are conjoined twins in the USA that are effectively a two-headed girl. What is that precedence for? a race of two-headed people? And remember that there is proof-positive that they exist while zero that gay marriage did. Highly disputed now is he? Not according to the academic responses i've read. You are talking about a hisstorian who got his PhD from Harvard and was a Professor at Yale. Yale doesn't employ highly disputed scholar. And hysterical works? Until he dies of AIDS? Links and references please. You'll not be able to provide tham of course because the only place you've ever seen any condemnation of this man written is in your own posts. You are just making it all up as you go along in the desperate pursuit of not being wrong. As Karnal would say, you're just that good.
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