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Re: In defence of Gay Marriage
Reply #720 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Anal sex is the riskiest sexual behavior for getting and transmitting HIV for men and women.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/analsex.html


What about the vacuum cleaner bag, Gordon?

That would be a risk for shure.


I've got a Dyson for the house and a wet and dry for the garage.
Miam miam?


You need to get yourself a dust-buster.

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Reply #721 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Breast cancer is a womans disease, but a very small number of men can get it. It is still called a woman's disease.

AIDS is a gay disease because they are 33 times more likely than straights to get it.  Ergo... it is called the 'gay disease'.


Now we wait for mothra to tell us how we are all wrong and gays dont get aids much, only straights or more crap like that. 

33 times as likely.... and the rest of the time it is from gays screwing straights.



What point is there trying to explain the different subtypes of HIV and their varying routes of transmission to someone who doesn't even understand that you don't catch AIDS.

So much ignorance.



Anal intercourse drives the HIV epidemic amongst gay and bisexual men. Moreover a substantial proportion of heterosexuals have anal sex but tend to use condoms less frequently than for vaginal sex, and this may contribute to heterosexual epidemics in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere.

http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission-risk-during-anal-sex-18-times-higher-than-during-vaginal-sex/page/1446187




Not with all clades.

Seriously Gordy, you're out of your depth on this one.


Why does vaginal sex carry a higher risk in Africa?



It does with group M, subtype E, which is found in SE Asia.


Do sexual customs play a big part?
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Reply #722 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Do sexual customs play a big part?


Sexual customs?

Do you have to show your passport before boarding?    Undecided


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Reply #723 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Do sexual customs play a big part?


Sexual customs?

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I always get the Indian guy with a turban at  Sydney Airport when I'm coming back from overseas. Every bloody time. He eye rapes me!!!
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Reply #724 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
AIDS is a gay disease ...




Are you reading this, Homo?

Longie is entitled to his opinion.


Ten minutes ago you were telling mothra that nobody has ever expressed such an opinion.

You goofed again.

so sue me.
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Re: In defence of Gay Marriage
Reply #725 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Breast cancer is a womans disease, but a very small number of men can get it. It is still called a woman's disease.

AIDS is a gay disease because they are 33 times more likely than straights to get it.  Ergo... it is called the 'gay disease'.


Now we wait for mothra to tell us how we are all wrong and gays dont get aids much, only straights or more crap like that. 

33 times as likely.... and the rest of the time it is from gays screwing straights.



What point is there trying to explain the different subtypes of HIV and their varying routes of transmission to someone who doesn't even understand that you don't catch AIDS.

So much ignorance.



Anal intercourse drives the HIV epidemic amongst gay and bisexual men. Moreover a substantial proportion of heterosexuals have anal sex but tend to use condoms less frequently than for vaginal sex, and this may contribute to heterosexual epidemics in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere.

http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission-risk-during-anal-sex-18-times-higher-than-during-vaginal-sex/page/1446187




Not with all clades.

Seriously Gordy, you're out of your depth on this one.


Why does vaginal sex carry a higher risk in Africa?



It does with group M, subtype E, which is found in SE Asia.


Do sexual customs play a big part?



Different subgroups of HIV are typically transmitted in different ways.

How many times do i need to say it?
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Re: In defence of Gay Marriage
Reply #726 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:23pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Just curios tho, why are we discussing HIV in a topic about gay marriage?

I reckon married fags would be the least likely to spread the virus because they'd be less promiscuous than unmarried poop punchers.

Most promiscuous HIV- fags are on PEP now anyway.


I agree, Gordon. Why Homo and Longy don't want to bring the focus back to the tinted races is anyone's business.
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Reply #727 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:24pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
AIDS is a gay disease ...




Are you reading this, Homo?

Longie is entitled to his opinion.


Ten minutes ago you were telling mothra that nobody has ever expressed such an opinion.

You goofed again.

so sue me.


Homo, if I sued you every time you were wrong, I'd have every lawyer at Slater & Gordon working for me around the clock.


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Reply #728 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:25pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
AIDS is a gay disease ...




Are you reading this, Homo?

Longie is entitled to his opinion.


Ten minutes ago you were telling mothra that nobody has ever expressed such an opinion.

You goofed again.

so sue me.


I imagine that's what the CDC says too, Homo.

How did it go down when you said that in aged care?
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Reply #729 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:27pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Breast cancer is a womans disease, but a very small number of men can get it. It is still called a woman's disease.

AIDS is a gay disease because they are 33 times more likely than straights to get it.  Ergo... it is called the 'gay disease'.


Now we wait for mothra to tell us how we are all wrong and gays dont get aids much, only straights or more crap like that. 

33 times as likely.... and the rest of the time it is from gays screwing straights.



What point is there trying to explain the different subtypes of HIV and their varying routes of transmission to someone who doesn't even understand that you don't catch AIDS.

So much ignorance.



Anal intercourse drives the HIV epidemic amongst gay and bisexual men. Moreover a substantial proportion of heterosexuals have anal sex but tend to use condoms less frequently than for vaginal sex, and this may contribute to heterosexual epidemics in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere.

http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission-risk-during-anal-sex-18-times-higher-than-during-vaginal-sex/page/1446187




Not with all clades.

Seriously Gordy, you're out of your depth on this one.


Why does vaginal sex carry a higher risk in Africa?



It does with group M, subtype E, which is found in SE Asia.


Do sexual customs play a big part?



Different subgroups of HIV are typically transmitted in different ways.

How many times do i need to say it?


Bullshit..

HIV-1 and HIV-2 are distinct retroviruses originating from two different primate species.1 Transmission modes for both strains are the same, and infection with either strain can lead to the development of AIDS.2
http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-2/page/1322993/


Africa has higher rates of vaginal transmission because

Dry sex promulgates HIV/AIDS in three ways: The lack of lubricant results in lacerations in the delicate membrane tissue, making it easier for the lethal virus to enter. In addition, the natural antiseptic lactobacilli that vaginal moisture contains aren’t available to combat sexually transmitted diseases. Finally, condoms break far more easily due to the increased friction.

http://www.salon.com/1999/12/10/drysex/





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Reply #730 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
AIDS is a gay disease ...




Are you reading this, Homo?

Longie is entitled to his opinion.


Ten minutes ago you were telling mothra that nobody has ever expressed such an opinion.

You goofed again.

so sue me.


Homo, if I sued you every time you were wrong, I'd have every lawyer at Slater & Gordon working for me around the clock.




Salter's a dick. I run the show there.
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Reply #731 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
Gordon, someone made the comment about AIDS being a 'gay disease'. The obligatory luvvie shout down ensued. I know thw whole discussion is off topic, still, there is evidence to back up the statement.
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Reply #732 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:28pm:
Gordon, someone made the comment about AIDS being a 'gay disease'. The obligatory luvvie shout down ensued. I know thw whole discussion is off topic, still, there is evidence to back up the statement.


I'd phrase it as a disease  that disproportionately effects the gay community in western countries.
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Reply #733 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:27pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9th, 2017 at 6:50pm:
Breast cancer is a womans disease, but a very small number of men can get it. It is still called a woman's disease.

AIDS is a gay disease because they are 33 times more likely than straights to get it.  Ergo... it is called the 'gay disease'.


Now we wait for mothra to tell us how we are all wrong and gays dont get aids much, only straights or more crap like that. 

33 times as likely.... and the rest of the time it is from gays screwing straights.



What point is there trying to explain the different subtypes of HIV and their varying routes of transmission to someone who doesn't even understand that you don't catch AIDS.

So much ignorance.



Anal intercourse drives the HIV epidemic amongst gay and bisexual men. Moreover a substantial proportion of heterosexuals have anal sex but tend to use condoms less frequently than for vaginal sex, and this may contribute to heterosexual epidemics in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere.

http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission-risk-during-anal-sex-18-times-higher-than-during-vaginal-sex/page/1446187




Not with all clades.

Seriously Gordy, you're out of your depth on this one.


Why does vaginal sex carry a higher risk in Africa?



It does with group M, subtype E, which is found in SE Asia.


Do sexual customs play a big part?



Different subgroups of HIV are typically transmitted in different ways.

How many times do i need to say it?


Bullshit..

HIV-1 and HIV-2 are distinct retroviruses originating from two different primate species.1 Transmission modes for both strains are the same, and infection with either strain can lead to the development of AIDS.2
http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-2/page/1322993/


Africa has higher rates of vaginal transmission because

Dry sex promulgates HIV/AIDS in three ways: The lack of lubricant results in lacerations in the delicate membrane tissue, making it easier for the lethal virus to enter. In addition, the natural antiseptic lactobacilli that vaginal moisture contains aren’t available to combat sexually transmitted diseases. Finally, condoms break far more easily due to the increased friction.

http://www.salon.com/1999/12/10/drysex/








You're so wrong it's cute.

In just HIV-1 there are groups M, N, O and P.

In just HIV-! Group M there are clades A through K.

Not all transmission is the same.
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Reply #734 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 7:33pm
 
HIV-1 SUBTYPES AND TRANSMISSION

Diverse risk behaviors sustain HIV-1 transmission in different regions of the world, and within the same region, multiple transmission routes can be involved in spreading the epidemic. For example, in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in 2005, 67% of HIV infections were due to needle sharing among intravenous drug users (IDUs). In South and Southeast Asia, not including India, 49% of HIV infections reported were in commercial sex workers and their clients, while 22% were in IDUs. In Latin America, 26% of HIV infections were in men who have sex with men (MSM), and 19% were in IDUs (http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/2006GlobalReport/default.asp). In Western Europe, unprotected intercourse among heterosexuals accounted for 45%, and among MSM, 28%, of HIV infections (http://www.eurohiv.org/reports/report_73/pdf/report_eurohiv_73.pdf).

As reported in the previous paragraph, the HIV-1 epidemic in these regions is sustained by different subtypes, and within each region, segregation of subtypes to different risk groups has been reported. For example, the cocirculation of subtype B among IDUs and CRF01_AE (originally defined as subtype E) among heterosexuals was originally described in Thailand (41); the segregation of subtype B to homosexuals and subtype C to heterosexuals was described in South Africa (126); more recently, two concurrent epidemics in Argentina have been reported, one among MSM, sustained by subtype B, and the other among heterosexuals and IDUs, sustained by BF recombinants (5). In Europe, where subtype B has sustained the HIV-1 epidemic among the “historical” IDU and homosexual risk groups, non-B subtypes and CRFs are progressively being introduced in association with increased heterosexual transmission of HIV-1 between migrants and/or immigrants from regions where HIV-1 is endemic and their European partners (19, 20, 121).

All these observations, reported at different phases of the HIV-1 epidemic around the world, may suggest different biological properties for the subtypes, resulting in their segregation among individuals with different risk behaviors for HIV-1 infection. Nevertheless, a consistent demonstration of this association has not been given. There is clearly no predetermined linkage between a specific subtype and a unique mode of transmission. In fact, subtype A is transmitted among heterosexuals in sub-Saharan Africa and IDUs in Eastern Europe; similarly, subtype B is transmitted among all the historical risk groups in Western countries.

Therefore, the apparent segregation of HIV-1 subtypes by type of risk behavior rather than as a result of virologic factors (cell tropism, coreceptor specificity) could derive from genetic, demographic, economic, and social factors that separate the different risk groups for HIV-1 infection. Moreover, the overwhelming predominance of the C subtypes in areas where unprotected heterosexual intercourse is the main transmission route could result from a founder effect with a fast-colonization outcome.


http://jvi.asm.org/content/81/19/10209.full
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