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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #135 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:58am
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 16th, 2015 at 6:25pm:
Gay Incest.

I support it completely.  Why not?  I guess Gay Incest involves sexual activity between brothers, or a father and son, male cousins, and similarly between sisters, a mother and daughter and female cousins.  Throw in aunts and uncles with nieces and nephews, and there you have a very unproductive melting pot, but presumably heights of passion.  (There’s  that word ~ passion, and I’ll come back to it.)

Exactly what is the problem with any of that, assuming it occurs (as the Law will require) with adult consent, and lack of power balance or any sense of compulsion.  If there is appropriate consent in the sense the Law and everyone would expect, why not?

Historically, I am sure there will be plenty of examples but I can’t be bothered looking.  It is irrelevant to my point.  Why ought we concern ourselves with the intercourse of whatever kind between two people if and when there is absolutely no negative to it?  If two brother blokes want to play tennis, and they get their jollies doing it, why should I or you care?  It’s none of our bloody business, is it.  Two brother blokes wrestle in the Olympic Games….get all very close and personal, and one gets an erection.  Embarrassing for him but, so what?  And……who cares if the combatants are brothers?  No me.  Why, you?

Way back at the dawn of prude, incest was frowned upon.  It was a genetic thing, or concern.  Not so much a social taboo, but explained on the basis that defects in the dna would be spread and thus the herd would be weakened.  I don’t even subscribe to that theory, because, at the end of the day, Mr Darwin’s theory of evolution blows it out of the water…..the fittest survive, so that’s the end of that wimpy whinge. 

So if two of the same sex get at it and there is zero chance of reproduction, who cares, and if so, why.  Buggered if I can think of any logical reason.  Precious pups like the ‘flake melielongtime of the righteous (???) indignation’ will drag out biblical propaganda and tell us that those who get their rocks off with their immediate family are doooooooomed to hell and damnation for eternity.  Oh well, there are always voodoo snake oil salesman on just about any topic.

What sort of test is applicable here.  Is it a NIMBY?  Is it the Pub Test?  Is it the recently developed ‘sniff test?’ Is it biological?  Nah, it cannot be that as is bleedingly obvious.  What are we left with?  Well, why ought it bother you if two brothers were living next door, and you knew they were screwing the crap out of each other? Seriously! 

Why is that any skin off your nose, any more than it worries you not that Mr and Mrs Deepthroat are doing the same at the other ‘next door?’

The ‘Pub Test.’  Yeas, I can imagine all those tradies, and bar flies swilling their schooners  to skin full level, and convincing each other ~ (before they left for home to beat the sheet out of their spouses and probably their kids) fist pumping their breasts and saying, “bloody poofter brothers, let’s get ‘em.  Hang ‘em high,” ~ that this is a real threat to their bar-room heroics.

As for the sniff failure.   Yeas, I can see it, but I reject it as bigotry.

At the end of the day, we are left with two people, brothers, sisters etc, who for reasons I cannot explain, are passionate about exploring sexual pleasure with each other.  Let them have their way I say. 

Why not!


many blessings

it is of no surprise that this freemason is being

tormented by his self invoked demon ..

this is not rational or loving thinking

more warped and depraved

yet you are now exposed as by their works

you shall know them ..

and so be it

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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #136 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:02am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2015 at 12:08pm:
I don't "support" incest from a moral point of view. But I am against laws that forbid it. As long as it is a matter between consenting adults, the state has no business to stop it.


many blessings

another is exposed as by their works

ye shall know them and greet them at any and all incest events they do literally care to empower

as this incest apologist does announce

all are forgiven for confusions

yet exposed as predicted

so be at peace

namaste
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Reply #137 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:41am
 
Thanks for exposing them, Light. Have you got something on the Longweekender?
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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #138 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 11:15am
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 9:41am:
Thanks for exposing them, Light. Have you got something on the Longweekender?


many blessings master karnal

all is how it is and should be

as we continue and observe

those that are known by their works

and so be it

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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #139 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.
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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #140 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.



that's OK, neither does he ... he simply thinks that muddying the waters will give his argument more validity
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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #141 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


The point I am making is this: you are saying that a millenia-old taboo and legal objecttion to incest 'doesnt matter' largely because it doesnt concern you.  AS an argument for overturning such a prevailing taboo, it fails miserably because applying your logic to another are of behaviour - post-pubescent sexuality - comes up with an outcome you are not expecting nor wanting. The age of consent limitation is a very, very recent invention and the incest taboo is far stronger and older.

If you want to make an argument supporting incest then you in addition, need to explain why it should be adults only and also, why adult is 18+.  All you have done is make an ill-considered comment that is inconsistent with any kind of logical argument..


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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #142 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


just picked this up..  YOU are conflating the two issues by stating it must be adults only, thus excluding consensual incestual relationships under the artificially chosen age of 18.
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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #143 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:19pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


just picked this up..  YOU are conflating the two issues by stating it must be adults only, thus excluding consensual incestual relationships under the artificially chosen age of 18.


ahhm, i think the LAW says they must be consenting adults
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Reply #144 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:22pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


just picked this up..  YOU are conflating the two issues by stating it must be adults only, thus excluding consensual incestual relationships under the artificially chosen age of 18.


ahhm, i think the LAW says they must be consenting adults



it also prohibits incest, fool.  trying understanding what the grownups are talking about first.
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Reply #145 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:32pm
 
Longy why would you think that pointing out that its a "millenia old taboo" mean anything relevant here? There are lots of stupid and very old laws that we have only recently began to realise were stupid - like banning homosexuality.

Stop complicating my point - its very simple:

- children need protection, and the state should step in if they can't get that protection from their family

- when people are no longer in need of said protection (on account of them being adults), then they should be able to consent with each other to do whatever depraved acts they choose - free from state intervention. And it can be anything - hetero sex, gay sex, incest, gay incest, group sex etc etc. Its not that I approve of it - I don't, but its not the role of the state to stop them unless there are victims involved.
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Re: In support of Gay Incest.
Reply #146 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:35pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:22pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:19pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 1:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 12:26pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 8:53am:
Historically, sexual activity began as soon as puberty developed. it is only in the very recent past that this has been changed. So if the strict laws forbidding incest -which has been forbidden for millenia - are irrelevent to you, why should consensual incest for any post-pubescent be a problem.  Your position is inconsistent.


You're conflating two separate issues longy (incest and age of consent). The age of consent issue is not one that is unique to incest, so I really don't know what point you are trying to make.


just picked this up..  YOU are conflating the two issues by stating it must be adults only, thus excluding consensual incestual relationships under the artificially chosen age of 18.


ahhm, i think the LAW says they must be consenting adults



it also prohibits incest, fool.  trying understanding what the grownups are talking about first.


yes, and a discussion about allowing incest doesn't automatically mean all laws become obsolete ... you idiot.
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Reply #147 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 4:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 2:32pm:
Longy why would you think that pointing out that its a "millenia old taboo" mean anything relevant here? There are lots of stupid and very old laws that we have only recently began to realise were stupid - like banning homosexuality.

Stop complicating my point - its very simple:

- children need protection, and the state should step in if they can't get that protection from their family

- when people are no longer in need of said protection (on account of them being adults), then they should be able to consent with each other to do whatever depraved acts they choose - free from state intervention. And it can be anything - hetero sex, gay sex, incest, gay incest, group sex etc etc. Its not that I approve of it - I don't, but its not the role of the state to stop them unless there are victims involved.



and you think that despite the fact that until 200 years ago, most people were sexually active at 13/14 and having children at the same age.  were they all 'victims'? or was it the culture of the time? the point is that you define as 'children' those that biology and history define as adults. to be clear, I am not opposing the age of consent laws at all, merely pointing out that your distinction is arbitrary and inconsistent with your incest attitude. After all, the average age of first sex in UK is 11.5 years.  That ship has long since sailed.
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Reply #148 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:45pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2015 at 4:39pm:
the point is that you define as 'children' those that biology and history define as adults.


I don't recall defining children anywhere. Nevertheless the line must be drawn somewhere - and yes it will necessarily be completely arbitrary, but that is a separate issue and has no relevance to my point.
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Reply #149 - Jul 23rd, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
I dunno if this is relevant but talking about age old taboos against incest, wasn't that based on biological reasons? You know, birth deformities etc - clearly incest was a thing we just did at some point, otherwise how did we work out it was a taboo - anyway, that's its own question I suspect...

So, an age old taboo, presumably, based on issues regarding pregnancy, in particular, birth deformities would be irrelevant wouldn't it in a discussion about GAY incest? After all, barring an absolute miracle, pregnancy is not going to happen... Wow, imagine the upset if pregnancy did pop up (yep, pun intended!)!
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