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Reply #15 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

I cannot believe what I've just read.

You are not evidently gender diverse.

I'm a bloody girl. End of.

And I've got the relevant bits to prove it...along with a freaking caesarean scar across my tummy.

Why is EVERYTHING so needlessly complicated now?

The 'bits' are no longer proof of gender. Gender is more than physical. It is also a state of mind.

The 'relevant bits' can be surgically adjusted to match the mental state.

Ahhh but only the external bits...right?

I doubt any person born male and who is surgically adjusted will be able to prove they have a caesarean scar.

Caesarean scar can be faked surgically or with makeup.

Perhaps you are suffering altered reality and gender displacement.

Like I said, no CAESAREAN SCAR

You do know why it's called that....don't you?

Let me know if you don't. I'll be more than happy to tell you

Please don't expose yourself. This is a family BBS.

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Reply #16 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

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Re: Are You Gender Diverse?
Reply #17 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:17pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:04pm:

I cannot believe what I've just read.

You are not evidently gender diverse.

I'm a bloody girl. End of.

And I've got the relevant bits to prove it...along with a freaking caesarean scar across my tummy.

Why is EVERYTHING so needlessly complicated now?

The 'bits' are no longer proof of gender. Gender is more than physical. It is also a state of mind.

The 'relevant bits' can be surgically adjusted to match the mental state.

Ahhh but only the external bits...right?

I doubt any person born male and who is surgically adjusted will be able to prove they have a caesarean scar.

Caesarean scar can be faked surgically or with makeup.

Perhaps you are suffering altered reality and gender displacement.

Like I said, no CAESAREAN SCAR

You do know why it's called that....don't you?

Let me know if you don't. I'll be more than happy to tell you

Please don't expose yourself. This is a family BBS.

Did you not read AND understand my post?

TELL YOU < -------means just that.

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Reply #18 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

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Reply #19 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

New Zealand is progressive like that.

I bet they have Euthanasia before we do too.

Its not because theyre "progressive" its because there are quite a few faafafines living there. Samoans have boys, girls and faafas who are boys that are raised as girls. They are however a laughing stock, even amongst their fellow samoans.

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Reply #20 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

You think adults should be treated as children?

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Reply #21 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:54pm

... wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

New Zealand is progressive like that.

I bet they have Euthanasia before we do too.

Its not because theyre "progressive" its because there are quite a few faafafines living there. Samoans have boys, girls and faafas who are boys that are raised as girls. They are however a laughing stock, even amongst their fellow samoans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

This third gender is so well-accepted in Samoan culture that most Samoans state that they have friendship relationships with at least one fa'afafine; it is, however, not totally accepted in other communities, such some Catholic groups and traditional leaders. Traditionally, fa'afafine follow the training of the women's daily work in an Aiga

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Reply #22 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

... wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

New Zealand is progressive like that.

I bet they have Euthanasia before we do too.

Its not because theyre "progressive" its because there are quite a few faafafines living there. Samoans have boys, girls and faafas who are boys that are raised as girls. They are however a laughing stock, even amongst their fellow samoans.

In Asia transgender people, particularly males dressed as and living as females are not uncommon. I have seen many in Thailand particularly shop assistants and restaurant workers.

The ugliest one I ever saw was in Halifax Canada.

"... In Samoa, gender identity is largely based on a person's role in the family and if one family has numerous sons and no daughters, it's not uncommon to raise one of the boys as a girl.

In fact, being a Fa'afaine or the practice of males adopting female gender roles and the attributes traditionally associated with women is deeply embedded in much of Polynesia.

Some Polynesian elders believe there are boys born with the “Fa'afafine spirit,” while others say it can be nurtured.

Boys like Leo Tanoi, who don't feel the Fa'afafine spirit, may be nominated as the Fafa in a family of all boys but Leo says that doesn't always work out for the best.

“Quite a lot of the memories I have related to this is all the physical abuse,” he says..."

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Reply #23 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

I thought you would be.

Who'd do all that washing if you euthanased yourself?

It's not the people against it (the religious right) that matter, it's those that's for it that will push it through, hopefully within the next five years, sooner would be better.

About 73% want it, because really, what fool would want to suffer unimaginable pain and loss of dignity when they can die peacefully with their family around them.

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Reply #24 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

I thought you would be.

Who'd do all that washing if you euthanased yourself?

It's not the people against it (the religious right) that matter, it's those that's for it that will push it through, hopefully within the next five years, sooner would be better.

About 73% want it, because really, what fool would want to suffer unimaginable pain and loss of dignity when they can die peacefully with their family around them.

My mum is very sick ok. She isn't going to get the chance to do it.

I don't mind doing all her washing. In fact it's been and continues to be a privilege. As long as she's alive. That's the main thing. I cannot bear the thought of her dying and visiting her grave.

As for pain relief.....fine but only safe levels thank you very much.

That's my stance. And why.

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Reply #25 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

I thought you would be.

Who'd do all that washing if you euthanased yourself?

It's not the people against it (the religious right) that matter, it's those that's for it that will push it through, hopefully within the next five years, sooner would be better.

About 73% want it, because really, what fool would want to suffer unimaginable pain and loss of dignity when they can die peacefully with their family around them.

My mum is very sick ok. She isn't going to get the chance to do it.

I don't mind doing all her washing. In fact it's been and continues to be a privilege. As long as she's alive. That's the main thing. I cannot bear the thought of her dying and visiting her grave.

As for pain relief.....fine but only safe levels thank you very much.

That's my stance. And why.

So you would rather your mother hang around in futile agony without the chance of improvement simply because you don't want to be without her?

I call that manifestly selfish.

True love is about wanting what is best for those we love.

It sounnds like you don't love your mother enough.

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Re: Are You Gender Diverse?
Reply #26 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:25pm

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Yep

Voluntary euthanasia petition presented to Parliament

At least it's not as far as Switzerland who have had it since 1942, don't hear of too many complaints coming out of there, do we. You must ask for the lethal dose before you become comatose.....fair enough.

Oh well! we'll have to keep on plugging for it, we will get there sooner or later, probably one step closer when we ditch the religious right that's for sure.

Sorry Pansi. I am totally against it.

I thought you would be.

Who'd do all that washing if you euthanased yourself?

It's not the people against it (the religious right) that matter, it's those that's for it that will push it through, hopefully within the next five years, sooner would be better.

About 73% want it, because really, what fool would want to suffer unimaginable pain and loss of dignity when they can die peacefully with their family around them.

My mum is very sick ok. She isn't going to get the chance to do it.

I don't mind doing all her washing. In fact it's been and continues to be a privilege. As long as she's alive. That's the main thing. I cannot bear the thought of her dying and visiting her grave.

As for pain relief.....fine but only safe levels thank you very much.

That's my stance. And why.

So you would rather your mother hang around in futile agony without the chance of improvement simply because you don't want to be without her?

I call that manifestly selfish.

True love is about wanting what is best for those we love.

It sounds like you don't love your mother enough.

Ahhh and here I was about to ask you to come over to this topic.

Look, how can a person be in total agony if they are being administered regular pain mgt medication?

Sure they might be in some pain..but TOTAL AGONY?

I don't believe that for a moment.

Besides, people can be given additional medication to help them go to sleep which in itself can take some pain away.

One last thing, I do love my mum....would even die for her.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Are You Gender Diverse? Reply #27 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:28pm Damn.....just read the topic title again. Apologies. I've gone offtopic.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35600 Gender:	Re: Are You Gender Diverse? Reply #28 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:28pm Pain relief i far from 100% effective. It does little to nothing for some people. If your mother is not in total agony and she is enjoying some quality of life, why even mention her in respect to euthanasia?
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Resolute Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 730	Re: Are You Gender Diverse? Reply #29 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 1:49pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 12:14pm: New Zealand is progressive like that. I bet they have Euthanasia before we do too. Hopefully greenswine will get over there as soon as that happens, and maybe you could join him.
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