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Reply #45 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:34pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:55pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
You didnt even read the single sentence you replied to.  Why bother?




Yes i did. You said is was claimed by some person or people that remain nameless that men and women are equal at everything.

You did mention the word brain in there but your writing is not good enough to have tied the word to what you are now claiming was your intent.

You should make yourself clearer if your going to get huffy.

Ok is this a clear enough question

If men and women have distinct brain types, is one type better suited to certain tasks than the other?



Generally speaking, yes.

But the proclivity for these skills occur upon a spectrum ... much like gender.


Interesting. 

Are these aptitude spectrums correlated with those of gender?
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Reply #46 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:44pm
 
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:34pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:55pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
You didnt even read the single sentence you replied to.  Why bother?




Yes i did. You said is was claimed by some person or people that remain nameless that men and women are equal at everything.

You did mention the word brain in there but your writing is not good enough to have tied the word to what you are now claiming was your intent.

You should make yourself clearer if your going to get huffy.

Ok is this a clear enough question

If men and women have distinct brain types, is one type better suited to certain tasks than the other?



Generally speaking, yes.

But the proclivity for these skills occur upon a spectrum ... much like gender.


Interesting. 

Are these aptitude spectrums correlated with those of gender? 




I know of no studies to suggest that.

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Reply #47 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
Hang about ... just found this:


Gay men and heterosexual women have similarly shaped brains, research shows
· Lesbians and heterosexual men show same pattern
· Findings may throw light on depression and autism

Striking similarities between the brains of gay men and straight women have been discovered by neuroscientists, offering fresh evidence that sexual orientation is hardwired into our neural circuitry.

Scans reveal homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

Scientists at the prestigious Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden also found certain brain circuits linked to emotional responses were the same in gay men and straight women.

The findings, published tomorrow in the US journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggest the biological factors that influence sexual orientation - such as exposure to testosterone in the womb - may also shape the brain's anatomy.

The study, led by the neurobiologist Ivanka Savic, builds on previous research that has identified differences in spatial and verbal abilities related to sex and sexual orientation. Tests have found gay men and straight women fare better at certain language tasks, while heterosexual men and lesbians tend to have better spatial awareness.

Savic and her colleague Per Linström took MRI brain scans of 90 volunteers who were divided into four groups of similar ages according to whether they were male, female, heterosexual or homosexual. The scans showed the right side of the brain in heterosexual men was typically 2% larger than the left. Lesbians showed a similar asymmetry, with the right hand side of the brain 1% larger than the left.

Scans on homosexual men and heterosexual women revealed both sides of the brain were the same size.

The results could explain a University of London study earlier this year that found gay men and straight women share a poor sense of direction compared with heterosexual men, and were more likely to navigate using landmarks alone.

The right hand side of the brain dominates spatial capabilities, so may be slightly more developed in heterosexual men and lesbians. An earlier study by the same team found gay men and straight women outperformed lesbians and straight men at tasks designed to test verbal fluency.

Savic's team has yet to confirm whether the differences in brain shape are responsible for sexual orientation, or are a consequence of it. To find out, they have begun another study to investigate brain symmetry in newborn babies, to see if it can be used to predict their future sexual orientation.

"These differences might be laid down during brain development in the womb, or they could happen after birth, though it could very likely be a combination of the two," said Savic.

In another series of tests, Savic and Lindström used a technique called positron emission tomography (PET) to look at brain wiring in a smaller group of volunteers. They found heterosexual women and gay men shared brain circuitry linking a region called the amygdala, which plays a key role in emotional responses, to other parts of the brain.

The research is part of a larger effort to identify differences between the male and female brain, in the hope they will shed light on why some mental disorders affect men and women differently. For example, major depressive disorders are far more common and persistent in women, while autism is around four times more common in boys than girls.

"There's a well known uneven sex distribution in the number of psychiatric disorders and trying to understand sex differences, and differences in orientation, may give you a hint of the mechanism underlying these diseases," said Savic.


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology


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Reply #48 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
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New Zealanders who identify as neither wholly male nor wholly female will be able to list themselves as "gender diverse" in what the nation's statistics agency says is a world first.

The agency and several other government organisations are considering how to use the new standard in data collection, Statistics New Zealand said in a statement on Friday.

"The standard expands gender identity categories beyond the current female/male boundaries," said Jo-anne Allan, classifications manager at Statistics New Zealand in Christchurch. "The term gender diverse is fairly new but we believe that over time it will be widely used and accepted."

The Statistical Standard for Gender Identity is different from a person's biological sex. New Zealand's transgender population has pushed for the change, including a 2011 campaign to tick both male and female boxes in the census.

"It's a complex issue as gender identity is about how a person feels and experiences their gender, which can change over their lifetime," said Ms Allan.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-zealanders-can-choose-to-be-gender-diverse-20150...

Normalising yet another sexual perversion.

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Reply #49 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:50pm
 
But the above doesn't speak to whether or not aptitude is related to where abouts a person falls onto the gender spectrum.

Some gay men are very masculine and some lesbians are very feminine.
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Reply #50 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:53pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:44pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:34pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:55pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:53pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:46pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 5:43pm:
You didnt even read the single sentence you replied to.  Why bother?




Yes i did. You said is was claimed by some person or people that remain nameless that men and women are equal at everything.

You did mention the word brain in there but your writing is not good enough to have tied the word to what you are now claiming was your intent.

You should make yourself clearer if your going to get huffy.

Ok is this a clear enough question

If men and women have distinct brain types, is one type better suited to certain tasks than the other?



Generally speaking, yes.

But the proclivity for these skills occur upon a spectrum ... much like gender.


Interesting. 

Are these aptitude spectrums correlated with those of gender? 




I know of no studies to suggest that.



Do you know of any studies which suggest the sky is blue? 

No, but if I asked you what colour the sky was, I'm sure you could answer.
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Reply #51 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 7:58pm
 
I posted a study on sexuality and brain differences ... as to gender and brain differences i do not know.

All i know for sure is that there are no hard and fast rules and that gender, sexuality and the way in which the brain operates all occur upon spectrums.
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Reply #52 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm
 
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men.
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Reply #53 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:14pm
 
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men. 




So i take it we've stopped talking about brain wiring now and are back to lifting heavy objects?
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Reply #54 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:14pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men. 




So i take it we've stopped talking about brain wiring now and are back to lifting heavy objects?


Why are you always trying to change the subject?  Does it make you uncomfortable?
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Reply #55 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:40pm
 
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:14pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men. 




So i take it we've stopped talking about brain wiring now and are back to lifting heavy objects?


Why are you always trying to change the subject?  Does it make you uncomfortable?



Not in the slightest. What masculine things are you referrign to Honky?

because the main differences between the male and female brain revolve around language and spatial awareness. Also multi-tasking and uni-tasking; grey matter vs white matter and emotional intelligence.

What are these great masculine traits which only a butch woman would perform better than a wimpy man?
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Reply #56 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:42pm
 
Why do men have more muscles than women if it doesn't really matter???


The 'gender equity' argument relies on nothing more that men's politeness. When men speak to women as they do to men, it's all 'how dare you, you brute' stuff.  Women want men to PRETENTED. It's all about 'I have the pussy so I make the rules' stuff.



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Reply #57 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:44pm
 
Another highly informative and well-balanced pot from the resident sage, Soren.

thanks for trying.
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Reply #58 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:44pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:40pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:14pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men. 




So i take it we've stopped talking about brain wiring now and are back to lifting heavy objects?


Why are you always trying to change the subject?  Does it make you uncomfortable?



Not in the slightest. What masculine things are you referrign to Honky?

because the main differences between the male and female brain revolve around language and spatial awareness. Also multi-tasking and uni-tasking; grey matter vs white matter and emotional intelligence.

What are these great masculine traits which only a butch woman would perform better than a wimpy man?


You already have the answers you seek.
The word "masculine" evokes imagery and associations in your mind.  Follow these.
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Reply #59 - Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:48pm
 
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:44pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:40pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:14pm:
... wrote on Jul 17th, 2015 at 8:07pm:
You might find that a butch woman is better at some masculine things than a sissy boy. 

But what you won't find is that average women are better than masculine things than average men. 




So i take it we've stopped talking about brain wiring now and are back to lifting heavy objects?


Why are you always trying to change the subject?  Does it make you uncomfortable?



Not in the slightest. What masculine things are you referrign to Honky?

because the main differences between the male and female brain revolve around language and spatial awareness. Also multi-tasking and uni-tasking; grey matter vs white matter and emotional intelligence.

What are these great masculine traits which only a butch woman would perform better than a wimpy man?


You already have the answers you seek.
The word "masculine" evokes imagery and associations in your mind.  Follow these.



So, a butch woman can read maps better than a wimpy man?

Is that what you are suggesting Honky?
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