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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #15 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:53am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:13am:

Chris Bowen, he's not a suck hole like Shorty.

Pretty much anyone would be better than Shorten.

The more I think about it, the more bizarre it seems. Here we had, after the 2013 election, a labor party desperate to put the disaster of the last 3 years behind them and start fresh. The labor brand at that time was thoroughly disgraced by the dirty dealings of the right wing factions. And then what do they do? Go and elect the man who was the very embodiment of the faceless men who had so thoroughly disgraced the labor brand. Whats even more bizarre is that they did this by very purposely maneuvering the caucus vote to veto the rank and file rejection of Shorten. As if it doesn't get any more bizarre - labor seemed so desperate to get Shorten in when they already knew Abbott was going to have the royal commission into union corruption - of which Shorten also was front and centre of.

Its frankly a disturbing image for those of us who are keen to see labor get a clean slate. What were they thinking? Does Shorten have something over the left faction to make them support him?

It will be an absolute travesty if labor can't manage to kick out the most incompetent PM in Australia's history because they are still held captive by the dirty and rotten NSW and Victorian right faction bosses. But its looking increasingly likely Angry

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Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:05am

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

To be fair Shorten is not beyond criticism and if he is found to have acted corruptly he should step down as leader....However you are correct about Bishop misusing taxpayer funds and without an adequate explanation her position is untenable....I am impressed you can see there is no use defending Bishop by deflecting and throwing up straw man arguments like others on this forum....Well done AP!!!

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Indeed. Well done Armpit

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Reply #17 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

That labrats are blind to their own misconduct. ..

As far as im concerned. .. Bishop should stand down and go to the back bench. ..

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds or other dodgy dealings... Bull Shitten for example. .. his behaviour has been deplorable. .. criminal in fact. ..

The bias of the labrats is unbelievable. .. I wouldn't want him as the leader to my party... no decent person would. .

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

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Reply #18 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #19 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:28am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

That labrats are blind to their own misconduct. ..

As far as im concerned. .. Bishop should stand down and go to the back bench. ..

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds or other dodgy dealings... Bull Shitten for example. .. his behaviour has been deplorable. .. criminal in fact. ..

The bias of the labrats is unbelievable. .. I wouldn't want him as the leader to my party... no decent person would. .

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

not forgetting gillard and krudd who also repaid money...

how far back do you want to go dna????

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #21 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:32am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:23am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

That labrats are blind to their own misconduct. ..

As far as im concerned. .. Bishop should stand down and go to the back bench. ..

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds or other dodgy dealings... Bull Shitten for example. .. his behaviour has been deplorable. .. criminal in fact. ..

The bias of the labrats is unbelievable. .. I wouldn't want him as the leader to my party... no decent person would. .

But same goes for anyone who has misused tax payers funds

You do realise that this list includes Tony Abbott ?

not forgetting gillard and krudd who also repaid money...

how far back do you want to go dna????

Rudd and Gillard can not resign again - Tony can.

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #22 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #23 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:37am

double plus good wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:32am:

Abbott could call an election at any time...Labor know they haven't the time to raise a profile of anyone else. This election will be about the performance of the Liberal Party against the reputation of the ALP.

If they want to win its best to strike when the iron is hot, write to your dopey local LNP member and tell him/her you're keen on an early election.

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #24 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #25 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:43am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

How does Armchair make sane posts like this?

It can’t be him.

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Reply #26 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

You're confusing me with Kat - unable to see past her own political bias no matter what the subject or issue. I may hate just about everything Labor currently stands for, but it doesn't mean I won't call out wrongdoings by the Liberals. Shorten deserves to go down for what he's done. I think Bishop needs to stand down too.

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Reply #28 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:54am

Its time wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:39am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

cods wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

you know the one who didnt DECLARE $40.000 DONATION FOR 8 LOOOOOOOOOONG YEARS...

my goodness I know $5000 is a lot of money... almost as BIG as $40.000.....

one scalp..two scalps...

come on BILL

you cheated on your missus....

you cheated on your union members...

you cheated on TWO PM.....

you even lied about talking to Rudd before you Killed off Gillard....

you are a SUPER LIAR AND CHEATER.....

in fact I cant think of anyone with such a appalling record....

come on guys....$5000... against that list.

you have got to be kidding!!!!

Grin

I think the difference here is that Bishop misused taxpayer funds, while Shorten didn't. Yes, he still did the wrong thing, but he didn't do it with public funds.

no ap. shorten told a lie on the forms he signed at the time of the election........what donations did you receive....

tax payer fund or tax payer rules....either way.. he didnt declare a whopping $40.000 donation....one of the strict rules by the electoral commission....
he coughed up the declaration two days before hw went into court...bishop is repaying the $5grand...

whats the difference?????????????

they both did wrong..

they either both get away with it.. or both heads roll..

Agreed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

Who are you and what have you done with the real AP?

I was thinking the same thing....I have no problem with AP attacking the ALP as long as he holds the Coalition to the same standards which in this case he has done with aplomb....Other posters from both sides of politics should take note of AP's integrity over this issue!!!

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Re: who will replace the labor leader
Reply #29 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

greed. But if a politician - any politician - can't see the folly in charging taxpayers $5k or so for an 80km helicopter ride, then I don't think they have a firm grasp on what the public expects of them. I also have to admit that Bishop has probably been one of the most biased Speakers in recent times. At first I thought it was fun, giving Labor a bit of an upper-cut. But now it's just distracting from the work the government is trying to get done and they have enough problems without having to deal with allegations of bias in the Speaker. If you ask me, the Speaker should not be an elected official. It ought to be a position independent of any political party that must be applied for, just like the Clerks of the House and so on. It's the only real way to have any semblance of impartiality.

absolutely I said it since the beginning she is wrong was wrong.. but the way Labor has leapt on this is astounding

to watch Bowen pontificating in shortens place...because he knew shortarse couldnt step up and say we want a police investigation knowing full well only a few days before he had tried to cover up a $40.000 electoral donation.....one that SMACKS of conflict of interest.. if he should ever reach the dizzy height of PM..how much work would flow to Unibilt..very awkward

imagine if that was Abbott he would be gone in a flash...
a Lib Premier went for a bottle of wine froma lobbyist

Unibilt is a company that supplies Labour.. a bit like Therese Rudd one can only presume...

isnt that a giant conflict of interest???...

does anyone with an y reason understand why bronny took that helicopter....I am sure she is asking that very question herself....but how many mistakes has she made??... are any of them equal to Bills???????

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