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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #195 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:51pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:59pm:

I am not running with any line, except asking Karnal when he is going to become an apologist for these anti-Muslim protestors.

Thats right FD - no line, apart from alluding to 'lies' about reclaim being racist - and your deafening silence when its pointed out to you that there actually were racists there.

By the way, feel free to answer my previous question - do you consider placards calling for an end to non-white immigration as racist?

Of course there were some racists, but trying to pass the whole protest off as racist, when they had a tinted speaker, is a lie by Karnal's standard. He will normally look a lot harder than that to find one. Hence the question - when is he going to become a born again apologist for anti-Islam protestors?

Yes G, when will I become a born-again apologist for anti-Islam protesters?

I’m curious.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #196 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:55pm

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:04pm:

Of course there were some racists, but trying to pass the whole protest off as racist, when they had a tinted speaker, is a lie by Karnal's standard.

I've never seen any equivalent leaps of logic by Karnal. Having a tinted person at a racist rally doesn't make it suddenly not racist. It just means that the racists have some useful idiots at their disposal. Previously Karnal has called you lot on such things as claiming their is a muslim child-bride epidemic on the basis of 2 cases, and calling a terrorist attack by Armenian Christians a muslim terrorist attack. Those are actual lies. Your "lie" here is what we call grasping at straws.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #197 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:04pm

No no, I completely agree with FD. I have no proof that Reclaim Australia is a racist organization with a racist agenda. I’m just going on their marketing and values statements and members’ own words held up on pieces of cardboard and tattooed onto their knuckles.

It’s a leap of faith, I know.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #199 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:10pm:

I'm interested to know what FD means by "Karnal's standard" for porkies. Any idea K?

An enigmatic question, G. It shows FD has been reading all those questions he refuses to answer.

I’m interested in FD’s standard for porkies. Do you think he has one?

He won’t tell me. Maybe you could ask him.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #200 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Why start now? The most common opinion here is that there were racists present, therefore everything they believe in is wrong. I just want to see how far the contrariness goes.

So, if they said 2 + 2 = 4, would you argue?

A good question, Honky. Personally, I wouldn’t. One of the 20th century’s most important philosophers was a member of the Nazi party, but that doesn’t stop Heidegger being one of the most influential thinkers in the Western tradition.

If Reclaim Australia argues that the tinted races should be sent back, how could this be anything other than a racist agenda?

Muslim doctors, teachers, aged-care nurses, all thrown out because a few crackers think the tinted races aren’t servile enough.

Yes, if a proposal is based on a completely irrational, counter-productive fear like racism, it has to be wrong.

Have they proposed chucking every tinted front bottom out? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention, but from what I've seen their platform is ending non white immigration, not chucking out those already here.

I'm sure some would secretly like a purge, but it's unreasonable to expect ones plan to be implemented without being watered down.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #201 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Why start now? The most common opinion here is that there were racists present, therefore everything they believe in is wrong. I just want to see how far the contrariness goes.

So, if they said 2 + 2 = 4, would you argue?

A good question, Honky. Personally, I wouldn’t. One of the 20th century’s most important philosophers was a member of the Nazi party, but that doesn’t stop Heidegger being one of the most influential thinkers in the Western tradition.

If Reclaim Australia argues that the tinted races should be sent back, how could this be anything other than a racist agenda?

Muslim doctors, teachers, aged-care nurses, all thrown out because a few crackers think the tinted races aren’t servile enough.

Yes, if a proposal is based on a completely irrational, counter-productive fear like racism, it has to be wrong.

Have they proposed chucking every tinted nice person out? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention, but from what I've seen their platform is ending non white immigration, not chucking out those already here.

I'm sure some would secretly like a purge, but it's unreasonable to expect ones plan to be implemented without being watered down.

One’s secret plan, you mean?

True, Honky. It’s most unfair to hold people to account for their secret plans.

Google taqiyya, no?

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #202 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:02am

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 11:11pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Why start now? The most common opinion here is that there were racists present, therefore everything they believe in is wrong. I just want to see how far the contrariness goes.

So, if they said 2 + 2 = 4, would you argue?

A good question, Honky. Personally, I wouldn’t. One of the 20th century’s most important philosophers was a member of the Nazi party, but that doesn’t stop Heidegger being one of the most influential thinkers in the Western tradition.

If Reclaim Australia argues that the tinted races should be sent back, how could this be anything other than a racist agenda?

Muslim doctors, teachers, aged-care nurses, all thrown out because a few crackers think the tinted races aren’t servile enough.

Yes, if a proposal is based on a completely irrational, counter-productive fear like racism, it has to be wrong.

Have they proposed chucking every tinted nice person out? Admittedly I haven't paid much attention, but from what I've seen their platform is ending non white immigration, not chucking out those already here.

I'm sure some would secretly like a purge, but it's unreasonable to expect ones plan to be implemented without being watered down.

One’s secret plan, you mean?

True, Honky. It’s most unfair to hold people to account for their secret plans.

Google taqiyya, no?

if they're secret how would you even know what to hold them responsible for?

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #204 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:57am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:37pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:34pm:

... wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:25pm:

If a racist says that 2 + 2 = 4, does that make it wrong?

your logic is erroneous. please make a meaningful statement either positing an opinion or refuting anothers opinion.

Why start now? The most common opinion here is that there were racists present, therefore everything they believe in is wrong. I just want to see how far the contrariness goes.

So, if they said 2 + 2 = 4, would you argue?

A good question, Honky. Personally, I wouldn’t. One of the 20th century’s most important philosophers was a member of the Nazi party, but that doesn’t stop Heidegger being one of the most influential thinkers in the Western tradition.

If Reclaim Australia argues that the tinted races should be sent back, how could this be anything other than a racist agenda?

Muslim doctors, teachers, aged-care nurses, all thrown out because a few crackers think the tinted races aren’t servile enough.

Yes, if a proposal is based on a completely irrational, counter-productive fear like racism, it has to be wrong.

So people that question the mixing of races are a few crackers??

Yes they are. Except you double - you're totally on the level.

Call them what you will, it won't go away.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #206 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:38am

... wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 9:56am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 12:40am:

That’s a hard one, Honky. You have to hire an expert in reading protest banners and knuckle tattoos.

Some of the messages can be very subtle.

Theyre not secret if theyre on banners.

Good point there, Honky.

FD?

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #207 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm

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've never seen any equivalent leaps of logic by Karnal. Having a tinted person at a racist rally doesn't make it suddenly not racist.

It means the counter protestors completely missed the point and misrepresented the message of the rally. They had a tinted speaker and a politician making critical arguments against Islam or 'extremist Islam' and the counter protest tries to wash it all away with accusations of racism. That is more of a lie than failing to access the drop-down box on Islamqa to access a different translation, or quoting the wrong post of yours from a 2014 thread.

The genuine head hackers don't stop Karnal from being an unthinking apologist for Islam. Why should a few racists stop him being an apologist for the anti-Islam protestors?

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It just means that the racists have some useful idiots at their disposal.

Ah. Completely different to the Islamic apologists then. Do you think these 'useful idiots' might have a genuine rational reason for protesting against Islam?

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Previously Karnal has called you lot on such things as claiming their is a muslim child-bride epidemic on the basis of 2 cases.

Actually, that was you Gandalf.

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No no, I completely agree with FD. I have no proof that Reclaim Australia is a racist organization with a racist agenda. I’m just going on their marketing and values statements and members’ own words held up on pieces of cardboard and tattooed onto their knuckles.

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam. Why should a bit of racism stop you being an apologist for the anti-Islam protestors? If they had nothing to apologise for, they would not need apologists Karnal. By your own logic, all it requires is you being able to read lies about them on the internet. So what is stopping you?

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I'm interested to know what FD means by "Karnal's standard" for porkies. Any idea K?

The two most recent examples that got the both of you very wound up: failing to access the drop-down box on Islamqa to see a different translation (you actually conceded this was not a lie, but that did not slow Karnal down), or quoting the wrong post of yours from a 2014 thread.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #208 - Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 5:02pm

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Having actual genocide, torture, sex slavery, war, highway robbery, domestic violence etc written into the Koran and Hadith does not stop you being an apologist for Islam.

What a comparison! - smearing 1.5 billion people all over the world by the actions of a few, with daring to suggest a couple of hundred protesters - a fair proportion of which are actual neo-nazis with swastikas - are racists. A muslim minding his own business in Australia has no say in being associated with head-hackers in Syria - but someone who is genuinely concerned by the threat of Islam to our liberal democracy can choose whether or not he joins hands with neo-nazis in a protest.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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