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Reply #240 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 12:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:28am:

So, gregg - answer me this question:

Are the demonstrators being 'Racist' when they protest against the Islam-inspired social values taking root in Australia through the migrant influx of Muslims?

Would it be 'Racist' for a group to hit the streets in protest of some of the animal-cruelty practices of the Chinese and other national groups?

Was Green Peace 'Racist' for protesting against the Japanese whaling industry?

Or are all these examples culture-based and not race-based?

And if so, why is no-one in the media pointing this out ... but instead, are letting this false accusation of 'racism' remain unchallenged as though it is the correct definition of the demonstrators?

that is the most pathetic defence of racists i have ever heard.

those Reclaim Australia idiots are racist.

If you really want to get pedantic about nomenclature - lets call them xenophobic bigots.

Whatever - they are scum.

And racist scum is a pretty accurate and succinct description.

Or - xenophobic bigoted scum if you insist on absolute verbal accuracy.

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Reply #241 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 1:34am

I really couldn't be bothered reading all the previous posts... for and against..?? Nope. Sad

PATHETIC.

These reclaim Australia people are simply fearful individuals who take courage in a mob.
Mob rule. Cowards and afraid of reality. It won't go away .
They seem to think Australia is an Island, untouched by the real world. Fearful fools all Sad

I think PEOPLE are entitled to be FREE.
Sadly Australia is no longer, (if it ever was) a FREE society. THESE confrontations focus us on pros and cons.. that are just irrelevant in the face of the real world..

People are people, whatever they believe, and only freedom allows there to be a rational society. These 'reclaim' folks are so sad .. so afraid, so pathetic.. I saw the footage and I thought.. is THIS AUSTRALIA.?? What depths we have sunken to.
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FEAR is the enemy, NOT our fellow human beings. There are always malcontents in any grouping of HUMANS.. to give them such perceptions of validity and power that would require this sort of 'outbreak of anti - religious dogma' is symptomatic of an ingrained fear and WEAKNESS. Do you really feel SO weak in the face of a bit of aggro. ?

Would be better to ignore the radicals, and put them where they deserve to be. Nowhere where any body could care less.

The Reclaim people are simply afraid, and ignorant.

There is NO safety in this world, we can only be cohesive and work together to make the best of things. To divide is to fail. The radical Muslims and radical racists are doing a really good job of achieving a virtual breakdown in commonsense, and a rational society.
DON'T ALLOW FEAR to run your life. BE who you are in righteous belief that we are all one. Stand up and say.. I am a HUMAN BEING, and I am for the GOOD of ALL!!.
Don't fall prey to fearmongering and those who want to rip apart our society. I MEAN all those who seek to widen this division. WORK TOGETHER. BY behaving in this anarchic manner you just give POWER to your perceived enemy. FEAR based actions can never be appropriate. It takes RATIONAL thought and courage and the will to be decent beings.

Don't allow yourself, through your fear, to be dragged down into the radical fringe.

Peace and LOVE to all, is the only doctrine to pursue,, NOT HATRED and disenfranchisement,.

Stand up and be a GOOD HUMAN BEING... not a fearful puppet manipulated by the faceless force of hate and fear.

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Reply #243 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

double plus good wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 7:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:55pm:

double plus good wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:37pm:

]Anglo/Celtic Australia I grew up with. My culture. Like how the Chinese have theirs. Like how aborigines have theirs.

Anglo or Celtic? Which one? Both are very different and both were imported from the UK, where neither is native... You have no idea how silly your comments sound, do you? Roll Eyes

What would a treacherous muslim lover like you know about anglo/celtic aussies and their culture? You have your tongue firmly planted in ethnic ass.

Is that the best you can manage, Matty? Sorry, I find your lambasting me for defending innocent people from your persecution rather laughable. Keep trying, you might one day hurt me. Roll Eyes

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Reply #244 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 11:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 10:33pm:

The Koran and ahadiths are a bit more than merely "the actions of a few"

The head-hacking interpretations are the beliefs of the few.

You don't judge muslims who reject the head-hackers version of Islam as muslims who genuinely advocate a peaceful and tolerant Islam. No, you judge them as somehow sinister. But whatever we do we mustn't unfairly judge a few protesters who choose to hold hands with neo-nazis - thats the really important thing here.

There is no authoratitive, reliable evidence that Muslims who say the thing you ae saying are genuine, reliable, influential, effective.

The only effective Msulism in the world today and for the last 1400 years seem to be Muslims who completely reject what you are saying.

How does a kuffar like me know that you are a player in Islam, that your views are of any importance, of any significance, Gandy???

There is ZERO evidence of Muslims taking any notice of your views. Why should kuffars like me?

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Reply #245 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

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Support for mass killings doesn't disqualify someone from being a genuine advocate for peace and tolerance.

Neither apparently does actually carrying out these mass killings. Are you suggesting that Muhammed was not a genuine advocate for peace and tolerance but his followers are, despite Islam?

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Just look at how many people still support the dropping of the atomic bombs that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. Desperate times, drastic measures, no other choice etc etc.

The war was already over Gandalf. The Meccans had gone home. Even if they had won, I doubt the Meccans would have been as ruthless with the Muslims as Muhammed was with the tribe of Jews. Had they defeated his army, they would probably would have got all the stuff back that Muhammed stole from them and an agreement to stop the highway robbery. The only desperation was Muhammed's will to get absolute power in Medina and beyond, and wipe out any threat to that power. It is not just a coincidence that all three large tribes of Jews got booted out of Medina after Muhammed took over but realised the Jews would not bow down for him. And it is not a coincidence that Muslims such as yourself still invoke the Jew=Borg theory to justify it. When pressed you do not justify it by imminent threat because there was none. You justify it as collective punishment for a crime. Islam compels you to invoke a legal principle that is a clear and direct violation of the Geneva convention. That is what it takes to justify Muhammed's actions.

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It doesn't matter if you think its bonkers, different people actually can think differently to you, and be sincere about it.

My argument is not that they aren't sincere. I am saying they are sincere, and that this is no barrier to Karnal being an apologist for Islam, and thus a bit of racism should not be a barrier to him being an apologist for the anti-Muslim protestors.

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Somehow its ok for Christians to hold that the God who ordered the invasion and slaughter of thousands of men, women and children is also a God of peace and love

Jesus brought about a change in philosophy. Muhammed changed it back. He managed to make it even worse.

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Your problem is that you cannot accept that people can hold genuine beliefs that you find contradictory. You come up with a version of Islam based on your own ignorant understanding of the texts and prejudicial logical leaps

What exactly is 'prejudicial logic'?

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and completely reject the idea that muslims could believe anything else

I believe that you believe that Islam is benign. Or something like that. I still disagree with you. Disagreeing with you is not the same as rejecting your ability to delude yourself into whatever convoluted justification you come up with.

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If they claim otherwise they are liars and must be dealt with accordingly.

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

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Re: How is it 'racist' to protest against Islamic valu
Reply #246 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm

You’ll ignore this one, FD, but allow me to clarify something I think is important. I’m against Reclaim Australia because it’s an inherently racist organisation with a racist agenda.

I wholeheartedly supported the "I’m with Charlie" campaign in France because this was about solidarity, not racism. I guess this makes me an apologist for the French race, no?

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Reply #247 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:41pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

You’ll ignore this one, FD, but allow me to clarify something I think is important. I’m against Reclaim Australia because it’s an inherently racist organisation with a racist agenda.

I wholeheartedly supported the "I’m with Charlie" campaign in France because this was about solidarity, not racism. I guess this makes me an apologist for the French race, no?

No.

It makes you look the confused PB that you are.

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Reply #248 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:24pm:

You’ll ignore this one, FD, but allow me to clarify something I think is important. I’m against Reclaim Australia because it’s an inherently racist organisation with a racist agenda.

I wholeheartedly supported the "I’m with Charlie" campaign in France because this was about solidarity, not racism. I guess this makes me an apologist for the French race, no?

No.

It makes you look the confused PB that you are.

Stupid or mendacious? Thick or tendentious? Correlation or causation?

You’ll need to phrase that as a question, OB.

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Reply #249 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Tell me why someone who is genuinely trying to advocate a religion of peace and tolerance must be "dealt with"? Is it that you actually want all muslims to be terrorists? What do you actually mean by "dealt with"?

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Reply #250 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Tell me why someone who is genuinely trying to advocate a religion of peace and tolerance must be "dealt with"? Is it that you actually want all muslims to be terrorists? What do you actually mean by "dealt with"?

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Mouthing these thing doesn't make Islam these things. Islam is an intolerant, domineering, beligerent creed. You know it better than the rest of us.

Ummah, sharia, jihad, caliphate, House of Peace, House of War - you can't ignore them.

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Reply #251 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

issuevoter wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:06am:

Emma, Islam is a state of mind, not a race. Your perception of Muslims in Australia as being somehow different and more peace loving and tolerant of other cultures denies the facts. You are part of the appeasement brigade. Muslims do not respect your views; they use them.

Au contraire Dino.. I know appeasement is a failure when dealing with aggression. I just don't see how a bunch of ignorant scared rednecks making lots of noise and beating their breasts about an entire religion is anything but bulldust. Bunch of hypocrits. Youare no different to those radicals in any religion. You think you are different..? you are not.
GOD.. look at what Christians have done, and still do, in the name of their God.
It is the pot calling the kettle black. Every group of humans have the same issues.
Becoming the rabble-rousers is not the answer... and abusing and bullying your own people makes you all just as bad as each other. No sympathy from me for your fear-driven agenda. Why try to create more discord.? That is just plain stupidity.

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Reply #252 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:55pm

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Liars. Fools. Useful idiots. Etc. All must be dealt with Gandalf. Lying to yourself does not mean you are not lying, even if you really believe it.

Tell me why someone who is genuinely trying to advocate a religion of peace and tolerance must be "dealt with"? Is it that you actually want all muslims to be terrorists? What do you actually mean by "dealt with"?

Islam is not genuinely a religion of peace. Islam is not genuinely tolerant.

Now now, old boy, don’t you get jealous.

You’re free to be as intolerant as you wish. We’re all friends here, you know.

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Reply #254 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 11:01pm

Three points:

1. I am not a follower of any religion.

2. Comparing Christianity to Islam is convenient for your argument, but I don’t see Christians sneaking into Pakistan to murder people on the street. Or murdering people for making fun of Jesus.

3. The "discord" has been created by Islam and its hatred of anything outside the dictates of the Koran, including the art, music, religion and history of other cultures.

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