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Reply #30 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Every since Israel was formed and the west realised that the middle east had oil to burn.

Imo if the west didn't meddle in the affairs of the middle east we would have a different world today.

Like I said in another thread the demonising of the Middle east and the west filling it up with cut throats and murderers is all because of OIL.

Once upon a time the middle east was an exotic place full of mystery.

Hey sprint cyclist how many Irakies have died since the invasion.......??????

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Reply #31 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:20pm

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This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Hardly. It has been happening for 1400 years. They nearly took over the entire western civilisation. Getting rid of the Muslims is what the Spanish Inquisition was all about, and we have been chipping away at their empire ever since. Now we are trying to build a functioning democracy right in the middle of it.

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Considering that without Judas' betrayal there would have been no crucifixion, no Jesus waking up on the Monday and scooting off to heaven, Christians should be saying big thank yous to his memory...
In fact, it could be said that Judas was the major facilitator of Christianity.

It is my understanding that Jesus made peace with him.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34378 Gender:	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #32 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:42pm Napoleon was a fairly good chap wasnt he. introduced the napoleonic code. lots of good laws, libraries, great builder,workaholic. I'd follow him
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48834 At my desk.	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #33 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34378 Gender:	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #34 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm: The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies. yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #35 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:33pm freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm: What was Napoleon's legacy? Off the top of my head: The modern French legal system; the metric system; the near-conquest of Europe...
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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #36 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:35pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.

yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .

Please don't compare Napoleon with Alexander. Alexander was a more able general and his empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to India. He defeated the largest empire the world had seen at that point, the Persians.

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #37 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.

yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .

Please don't compare Napoleon with Alexander. Alexander was a more able general and his empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to India. He defeated the largest empire the world had seen at that point, the Persians.

Yes Brian, and all the while he was being shagged cross-eyed by his closest male associates. There was no 'Josephine' in his life.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #38 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:30pm Generals come and go. Bonaparte was very effective against the Austrians, and the English supported Royalists at Toulon. He just should have had the good grace to die in a last stand at Waterloo. That way British school boy histories would have remembered him better.
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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:00am

issuevoter wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:

Generals come and go. Bonaparte was very effective against the Austrians, and the English supported Royalists at Toulon. He just should have had the good grace to die in a last stand at Waterloo. That way British school boy histories would have remembered him better.

His greatest shame and the beginning of the end was the retreat from Moscow.. he bolted on to a warm fire, a good brandy, and a quickie with Josie while his troops continued to die of cold etc....

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:13am

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:20pm:

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This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Hardly. It has been happening for 1400 years. They nearly took over the entire western civilisation. Getting rid of the Muslims is what the Spanish Inquisition was all about, and we have been chipping away at their empire ever since. Now we are trying to build a functioning democracy right in the middle of it.

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Considering that without Judas' betrayal there would have been no crucifixion, no Jesus waking up on the Monday and scooting off to heaven, Christians should be saying big thank yous to his memory...
In fact, it could be said that Judas was the major facilitator of Christianity.

It is my understanding that Jesus made peace with him.

If I could spell 'non-sequitur', I'd say that was one...

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 7:44am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:13am:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:20pm:

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This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Hardly. It has been happening for 1400 years. They nearly took over the entire western civilisation. Getting rid of the Muslims is what the Spanish Inquisition was all about, and we have been chipping away at their empire ever since. Now we are trying to build a functioning democracy right in the middle of it.

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Considering that without Judas' betrayal there would have been no crucifixion, no Jesus waking up on the Monday and scooting off to heaven, Christians should be saying big thank yous to his memory...
In fact, it could be said that Judas was the major facilitator of Christianity.

It is my understanding that Jesus made peace with him.

If I could spell 'non-sequitur', I'd say that was one...

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............It is my understanding that Jesus made peace with him..........

Yes, I would more agree with that than disagree.
Jesus accepted Judas actions. It had to happen, it was foretold.

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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:32am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:21am: mohammad jesus christ.
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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:35am

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

What was Napoleon's legacy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

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Total dead and missing
2,500,000 military personnel in Europe
1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies.
Total: 3,500,000 casualties

David Gates estimated that 5,000,000 died in the Napoleonic Wars. He does not specify if this number includes civilians or is just military.

Charles Esdaile says 5,000,000–7,000,000 died overall, including civilians. These numbers are subject to considerable variation. Erik Durschmied, in his book The Hinge Factor, gives a figure of 1.4 million French military deaths of all causes. Adam Zamoyski estimates that around 400,000 Russian soldiers died in the 1812 campaign alone—a figure backed up by other sources.[who?] Civilian casualties in the 1812 campaign were probably comparable. Alan Schom estimates some 3 million military deaths in the Napoleonic wars and this figure, once again, is supported elsewhere.[where?] Common estimates of more than 500,000 French dead in Russia in 1812 and 250,000–300,000 French dead in Iberia between 1808 and 1814 give a total of at least 750,000, and to this must be added hundreds of thousands of more French dead in other campaigns—probably around 150,000 to 200,000 French dead in the German campaign of 1813, for example. Thus, it is fair to say that the estimates above are highly conservative.

Civilian deaths are impossible to accurately estimate. Whilst military deaths are invariably put at between 2.5 million and 3.5 million, civilian death tolls vary from 750,000 to 3 million. Thus estimates of total dead, both military and civilian, can reasonably range from 3,250,000 to 6,500,000.

Apparently Napoleon used to boast that he sent 30,000 soldiers to their deaths per month.

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #44 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:39am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Stalin by a country mile.

He was hated by the ordinary citizens - and was also hated by those who served him. Even his closest associates hated him.

By contrast, Hitler was not only loved by the bulk of the ordinary citizenry, but was also worshipped by those most close him.

And make no mistake about Hitler and the Jews --- I worked for years with Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Croatians and others who hated 'the Jews' - and who had absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for them because of the extermination camps.

Vast swathes of the European and Russian people at the time of Hitler, hated the Jews.

The Jews hated Hitler - but not so the Arabs, and many in the West who still 'despise' them.

You're assumeing that he is hated more because he killed more people. A lot of people love stalin because to them he was a man of strength. Its like Sprint and Aqua loving Putin for his "apparent" strength

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