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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #45 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:41am

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

What was Napoleon's legacy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

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Total dead and missing
2,500,000 military personnel in Europe
1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies.
Total: 3,500,000 casualties

David Gates estimated that 5,000,000 died in the Napoleonic Wars. He does not specify if this number includes civilians or is just military.

Charles Esdaile says 5,000,000–7,000,000 died overall, including civilians. These numbers are subject to considerable variation. Erik Durschmied, in his book The Hinge Factor, gives a figure of 1.4 million French military deaths of all causes. Adam Zamoyski estimates that around 400,000 Russian soldiers died in the 1812 campaign alone—a figure backed up by other sources.[who?] Civilian casualties in the 1812 campaign were probably comparable. Alan Schom estimates some 3 million military deaths in the Napoleonic wars and this figure, once again, is supported elsewhere.[where?] Common estimates of more than 500,000 French dead in Russia in 1812 and 250,000–300,000 French dead in Iberia between 1808 and 1814 give a total of at least 750,000, and to this must be added hundreds of thousands of more French dead in other campaigns—probably around 150,000 to 200,000 French dead in the German campaign of 1813, for example. Thus, it is fair to say that the estimates above are highly conservative.

Civilian deaths are impossible to accurately estimate. Whilst military deaths are invariably put at between 2.5 million and 3.5 million, civilian death tolls vary from 750,000 to 3 million. Thus estimates of total dead, both military and civilian, can reasonably range from 3,250,000 to 6,500,000.

That's it? Nothing else?

That was funny Grin

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #46 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:44am

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Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:

... wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:48pm:

Karl Marx would be up there - hated by most citizens of the former FSU AND most of the western world for the last 100 years. It was his influence that enabled the horrors or Mao, Stalin and pol pot - 3 previously mentioned contenders. They are mere sidekicks to the big boss Marx.

Not true.

Marx never advocated for a Police State Tyranny as part of his Communist Manifesto.

It's just that the born-to-rule elitists - (hello Malcolm Turnbull) - always get in the way of a True communist state being developed as one giant national kumbayah commune. There's always been someone who comes along to reshape this political cake into a pyramid.

Come on mate, the ten tenets have a common theme - the state having total power. The police is the enforcement arm of that all-powerful state, so how could it be any different?

What's this ten tenents thing and the state having total power.Where do you get this?

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #47 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:49am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.

yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .

Please don't compare Napoleon with Alexander. Alexander was a more able general and his empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to India. He defeated the largest empire the world had seen at that point, the Persians.

The Athenians defeated the Persians well before Alexander in 490 and again in 480 BC

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #48 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.

yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .

Please don't compare Napoleon with Alexander. Alexander was a more able general and his empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to India. He defeated the largest empire the world had seen at that point, the Persians.

The Athenians defeated the Persians well before Alexander in 490 and again in 480 BC

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #49 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:08am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 8:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

The footprint of Napoleon's empire on Continental Europe are the rich liberal democracies.

yeah, i didnt think he was too bad at all. just liked war and was good at it. a modern day Alexander the great .

Please don't compare Napoleon with Alexander. Alexander was a more able general and his empire stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to India. He defeated the largest empire the world had seen at that point, the Persians.

The Athenians defeated the Persians well before Alexander in 490 and again in 480 BC

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

They grew up. America/Aust etc are still in that adolescent stage still needing to prove themselves and bullying everybody.

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #50 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:42am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Stalin by a country mile.

He was hated by the ordinary citizens - and was also hated by those who served him. Even his closest associates hated him.

By contrast, Hitler was not only loved by the bulk of the ordinary citizenry, but was also worshipped by those most close him.

And make no mistake about Hitler and the Jews --- I worked for years with Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Croatians and others who hated 'the Jews' - and who had absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for them because of the extermination camps.

Vast swathes of the European and Russian people at the time of Hitler, hated the Jews.

The Jews hated Hitler - but not so the Arabs, and many in the West who still 'despise' them.

You're assumeing that he is hated more because he killed more people. A lot of people love stalin because to them he was a man of strength. Its like Sprint and Aqua loving Putin for his "apparent" strength

I lived with my Russian aunt for 4 years. Trust me, Stalin was feared and hated.

... dear o dear o dear ... where do we get these Ozpol members from?

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #52 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Stalin by a country mile.

He was hated by the ordinary citizens - and was also hated by those who served him. Even his closest associates hated him.

By contrast, Hitler was not only loved by the bulk of the ordinary citizenry, but was also worshipped by those most close him.

And make no mistake about Hitler and the Jews --- I worked for years with Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Croatians and others who hated 'the Jews' - and who had absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for them because of the extermination camps.

Vast swathes of the European and Russian people at the time of Hitler, hated the Jews.

The Jews hated Hitler - but not so the Arabs, and many in the West who still 'despise' them.

You're assumeing that he is hated more because he killed more people. A lot of people love stalin because to them he was a man of strength. Its like Sprint and Aqua loving Putin for his "apparent" strength

I lived with my Russian aunt for 4 years. Trust me, Stalin was feared and hated.

... dear o dear o dear ... where do we get these Ozpol members from?

I don't know if the penny's dropped yet Herb but your aunt accounts for 1 person in a population of how many, 200 million??? Are you saying you have never heard and/or heard of people lamenting "the good ol days" when Stalin ruled and Russia was great. You must have been living under a rock. You know a lot of Russians attribute their narrow escape from annihilation by the Nazis to Stalin. Herb, you really got that cold war propaganda embedded deep in your brain

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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: The most hated people in history Reply #53 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:31pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:43am: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am: The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ???? Too much Ouzo? Yeah right Herb the problem is that the Greeks drink too much
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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #54 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

Too much Ouzo? Roll Eyes

Yeah right Herb the problem is that the Greeks drink too much

You've shot yourself in the foot again.

Read the title of the video. These girls were drunk in someone else's country, not in the UK.

They had the good sense to vomit on someone else's pavements -- unlike your own lot.

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #55 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

They grew up. America/Aust etc are still in that adolescent stage still needing to prove themselves and bullying everybody.

I've just realised you're just a kid, aren't you?

"Greece grew up". Riiiiiiight - The adults were put in charge. Grin

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #56 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:54pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 10:43am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

Too much Ouzo? Roll Eyes

Yeah right Herb the problem is that the Greeks drink too much

You've shot yourself in the foot again.

Read the title of the video. These girls were drunk in someone else's country, not in the UK.

They had the good sense to vomit on someone else's pavements -- unlike your own lot.

And yet you always whinge that too many foreigners go to the UK to throw up there. Make up your mind. I think you just shot yourself in the foot, AGAIN!!! Grin

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #57 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

The Greeks (& the Romans for that matter) were absolutely amazing -------> WTF HAPPENED TO US ????

They grew up. America/Aust etc are still in that adolescent stage still needing to prove themselves and bullying everybody.

"Greece grew up". Riiiiiiight - The adults were put in charge.

Great, I'm glad that we agree.

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #58 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04pm

Ajax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Every since Israel was formed and the west realised that the middle east had oil to burn.

Imo if the west didn't meddle in the affairs of the middle east we would have a different world today.

Like I said in another thread the demonising of the Middle east and the west filling it up with cut throats and murderers is all because of OIL.

Once upon a time the middle east was an exotic place full of mystery.

Hey sprint cyclist how many Irakies have died since the invasion.......??????

oh please...

in what century was that?? Roll Eyes

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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #59 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

This hatred of Islam and Moslims and the rise of jihadists is only a modern day thing right.

Every since Israel was formed and the west realised that the middle east had oil to burn.

Imo if the west didn't meddle in the affairs of the middle east we would have a different world today.

Like I said in another thread the demonising of the Middle east and the west filling it up with cut throats and murderers is all because of OIL.

Once upon a time the middle east was an exotic place full of mystery.

Hey sprint cyclist how many Irakies have died since the invasion.......??????

oh please...

in what century was that?? Roll Eyes

Europe has been in a constant state of war for God knows how many hundreds of years and between 1914 and 1945 staged 2 of the biggest bloodbaths in human history and you accuse the muslims of being barbarians? Hopeless!!!

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