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Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:09am
 
I got the idea from something Phillip Adams said the other day during a program about the Judas character in the bible.

Who would be in your opinion, say the three most hated people in history?
There's no shortage to choose from. I guess there will be an immediate response of "abbott" but he's hardly a historical figure is he.

Phillip Adams suggested that Judas might be because after 2000 years everybody still knows what it means to call someone a Judas.
But you might have some interesting ideas - examples might be:
Hitler
Stalin
George W Bush
Tony Blair
Nero
Mohamed
Rothschild Rockefeller
Napoleon

There might even be someone we don't think of in those terms today who in generations to come will be looked back on as a sinister figure, for instance because of some invention - Mark Zuckeberg?
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Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:21am
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:23am
 
It really comes down to what period of history we look at and from whos perpective!

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Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:28am
 
there goes that word again HATE. Angry

an awful lot of people admired and probably think Hitler was the best Chancellor they ever had...

most of that list had followers a large contingent of followers..

balance would be nice...but I doubt we will ever get that.

I think quite a few hate cods if you look around.
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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:31am
 
cods wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:28am:
I think quite a few hate cods if you look around



We all love you codsy!

Settle petal, who would we have to argue with if you werent around!  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:33am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:21am:
mohammad


The wrongest answer there could be. Sprintcyclist is just a hate propagator.

There are ~1.6 billion Muslims that love Mohammed compared to the handful of sorry hate propagators that hate him.

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As of 2010, over 1.6 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims. By the percentage of the total population in a region considering themselves Muslim, 24.8% in Asia-Oceania do, 91.2% in the Middle East-North Africa, 29.6% in Sub-Saharan Africa, around 6.0% in Europe, and 0.6% in the Americas.
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Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:38am
 
3 most hated:

Hitler , Stalin & Pol Pot.
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:16pm
 
What was Napoleon's legacy?
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:38am:
3 most hated:

Hitler , Stalin & Pol Pot.


Evidence?
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Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:24pm
 
that answer  varies depending on your own circumstances ... for many religious Christians who grew up in politically stable countries it probably is Judas, for Russians there's a good chance it is Stalin, Romania it's ceausescu, Chinese Mao, for righties it's brown people etc
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Reply #10 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
What was Napoleon's legacy?




not to weld tins with  food in them  with lead. Sad
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Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
What was Napoleon's legacy?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

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Total dead and missing
2,500,000 military personnel in Europe
1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies.
Total: 3,500,000 casualties

David Gates estimated that 5,000,000 died in the Napoleonic Wars. He does not specify if this number includes civilians or is just military.

Charles Esdaile says 5,000,000–7,000,000 died overall, including civilians. These numbers are subject to considerable variation. Erik Durschmied, in his book The Hinge Factor, gives a figure of 1.4 million French military deaths of all causes. Adam Zamoyski estimates that around 400,000 Russian soldiers died in the 1812 campaign alone—a figure backed up by other sources.[who?] Civilian casualties in the 1812 campaign were probably comparable. Alan Schom estimates some 3 million military deaths in the Napoleonic wars and this figure, once again, is supported elsewhere.[where?] Common estimates of more than 500,000 French dead in Russia in 1812 and 250,000–300,000 French dead in Iberia between 1808 and 1814 give a total of at least 750,000, and to this must be added hundreds of thousands of more French dead in other campaigns—probably around 150,000 to 200,000 French dead in the German campaign of 1813, for example. Thus, it is fair to say that the estimates above are highly conservative.

Civilian deaths are impossible to accurately estimate. Whilst military deaths are invariably put at between 2.5 million and 3.5 million, civilian death tolls vary from 750,000 to 3 million. Thus estimates of total dead, both military and civilian, can reasonably range from 3,250,000 to 6,500,000.
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Re: The most hated people in history
Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 1:02pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
What was Napoleon's legacy?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

Quote:
Total dead and missing
2,500,000 military personnel in Europe
1,000,000 civilians were killed in Europe and in rebellious French overseas colonies.
Total: 3,500,000 casualties

David Gates estimated that 5,000,000 died in the Napoleonic Wars. He does not specify if this number includes civilians or is just military.

Charles Esdaile says 5,000,000–7,000,000 died overall, including civilians. These numbers are subject to considerable variation. Erik Durschmied, in his book The Hinge Factor, gives a figure of 1.4 million French military deaths of all causes. Adam Zamoyski estimates that around 400,000 Russian soldiers died in the 1812 campaign alone—a figure backed up by other sources.[who?] Civilian casualties in the 1812 campaign were probably comparable. Alan Schom estimates some 3 million military deaths in the Napoleonic wars and this figure, once again, is supported elsewhere.[where?] Common estimates of more than 500,000 French dead in Russia in 1812 and 250,000–300,000 French dead in Iberia between 1808 and 1814 give a total of at least 750,000, and to this must be added hundreds of thousands of more French dead in other campaigns—probably around 150,000 to 200,000 French dead in the German campaign of 1813, for example. Thus, it is fair to say that the estimates above are highly conservative.

Civilian deaths are impossible to accurately estimate. Whilst military deaths are invariably put at between 2.5 million and 3.5 million, civilian death tolls vary from 750,000 to 3 million. Thus estimates of total dead, both military and civilian, can reasonably range from 3,250,000 to 6,500,000.


I'd not seen figures as high as that before. I wonder does that include the wars he fought in Italy & Egypt, as a servant of the State let's say, before he became a dictator. I don't know how accurate any figures of Russian military or civilian deaths in 1812 could possibly be.
Still, with figures anywhere near that he would have to be on the list.
His legacy was not all negative though. He spread revolutionary principles throughout Europe, including his legal code. The ancien regime would never be the same, even after 1815.

What was Stalin's tally? 20 million?
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 1:10pm
 
Of course Judas is not the oldest remembered figure, maybe just the most castigated, though that may be a matter for rethinking.
Midas of "the Midas touch" would be an older and frequently remembered figure.
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2015 at 1:14pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:33am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 11:21am:
mohammad


The wrongest answer there could be. Sprintcyclist is just a hate propagator.

There are ~1.6 billion Muslims that love Mohammed compared to the handful of sorry hate propagators that hate him.

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As of 2010, over 1.6 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims. By the percentage of the total population in a region considering themselves Muslim, 24.8% in Asia-Oceania do, 91.2% in the Middle East-North Africa, 29.6% in Sub-Saharan Africa, around 6.0% in Europe, and 0.6% in the Americas.


the thread was 'most hated', not 'most net hated'.
with the millions killed by muslims over the centuries moh would be far and away the most hated.

Noone would even be in the same league as moh.
the damage islam has caused.
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