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Reply #195 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 1:48am:

there is far more to "global warming" than the tiny, tiny bit of it that is surface temperature.

And yet that is the component that the IPCC promotes.

'The figure below from the 2013 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report compares the global surface warming projections made in the 1990, 1995, 2001, and 2007 IPCC reports to the temperature measurements.'

source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/oct/01...

Source: http://skepticalscience.com//pics/ProjvsObs.png

Or are you thinking of the tropical tropospheric hotspot that was apparently found by Matthew England, of UNSW, lost and alone in the Tasman Sea?

If it is not surface temperatures that are so alarming, please show those temperatures that are gunna cause us to fry?

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #196 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:25pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

I have yet to see an argument pre,pared and cut and pasted here by the minions of AGW denialist lobby that is even remotely logical or credible. There only purpose is to misinform, confuse and delay action to protect the only accessible environment in the universe that is capable of supporting human life .
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I'm sooo disappointed that you can't see that I quote from IPCC reports, quote Trenberth etc. These are not "denalists".

It is a pity comprehension is not one of your strong suits.

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #197 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 11:11am:

mariacostel wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 2:03am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:03pm:

Actually it does support that NASA at least did accept there had been a 'pause' (or at least a noticeable slowdown) in global warming. That they have now decided that there isn't/wasn't and that "they never said it" doesn't change that NASA, the IPCC and probably the other organisations did acknowledge it, which makes Longweekend's statement true.

Oh.. You are a big a liar as Longweekend. How pathetic.

Show us where NASA said there has been a "pause in global warming".

We are waiting liar.

Not just surface temperature - A tiny part of the global climactic system.

Show us where NASA said there has been a "pause in global warming".

Let me help - here is the NASA website - it says:

Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

So come on liar - show us where NASA says there has been a "pause in global warming".

We are waiting - from you liar - and your liar mate Longweekend.

Simple cut and paste. easy as that. Show us where NASA says there has been a "pause in global warming".

I have just shown you where their website says the exact opposite. What have you got?

There is a lot of money in global warming denial because the people who are financing it, the fossil fuel industry, have a lot to lose. And so they are flooding the internet with socks and mountains of misinformation to delay meaningful AGW action. The socks are despicable enough but those who have no climate science background telling us the experts are wrong are so irresponsible that there conduct if criminal as well IMO.Fortunately the world is waking up and many now are calling for these people to be punished for their crime to humanity AND importantly the internet never forgets.

You are not seriously pretending that everyone who opposes Anthropogenic Climate Change is a paid shill? Are you that paranoid? It hasn't yet occurred to you that this is a divisive topic filled with intelligent educated people with strong opinions on either side? Good people make superb and powerful arguments that oppose your position. Maybe if you listened to them occasionally it would help.

I think you and gizmo fall into the irresponsible (albiet criminally irresponsible) class of people whose gullibility and ideology make them particularly suseptible to well funded propoganda. As to Lee and Ajax I believe they're dispicable socks.

I have yet to see an argument prepared and cut and pasted here by the minions of AGW denialist lobby that is even remotely logical or credible. There only purpose is to misinform, confuse and delay action to protect the only accessible environment in the universe that is capable of supporting human life .

And it is that kind of statement which discredits you more than anything else you could have said. To claim that nothing from the other side has ever been credible or logical indicates you have no understanding of the topic or any topic for that matter. Nothing is ever that clear-cut. And that is why you fall for the 97% consensus con - because it suits your non-thinking ideology.

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #198 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 1:48am:

there is far more to "global warming" than the tiny, tiny bit of it that is surface temperature.

And yet that is the component that the IPCC promotes.

Huh?!?! WTF is that supposed to mean.

Here is the link to the IPCCs AR5
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml
Have you ever actually read any of it?

It addresses a hell of a lot more than just surface temperatures.

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

If it is not surface temperatures that are so alarming, please show those temperatures that are gunna cause us to fry?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you.

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #199 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 1:48am:

there is far more to "global warming" than the tiny, tiny bit of it that is surface temperature.

And yet that is the component that the IPCC promotes.

Huh?!?! WTF is that supposed to mean.

Here is the link to the IPCCs AR5
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml
Have you ever actually read any of it?

It addresses a hell of a lot more than just surface temperatures.

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

If it is not surface temperatures that are so alarming, please show those temperatures that are gunna cause us to fry?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you.

Let us postulate this: Imagine that the IPCC said that sea levels around the world had risen 5 metres in the last 6 months. Would there be any way of proving to you that they hadn't? I submit that you possess zero independant thought and you could live on the seafront and happily swallow that IPCC statement.

Am I correct? What do others think?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #200 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:05pm rabbitoh08 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 5:41pm: Have you ever actually read any of it? Where do you think box 9.2 comes from? Broad Hint- lee wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:24pm: https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter09_FINAL.pdf
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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #201 - Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm

Let's try wiki-

'Global warming and climate change are terms for the observed century-scale rise in the average temperature of the Earth's climate system and its related effects.' - So it is average temperature of the Earth and its related effects. That is changes caused by the increased temperature.

'Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming.[2][3] Although the increase of near-surface atmospheric temperature is the measure of global warming often reported in the popular press, most of the additional energy stored in the climate system since 1970 has gone into ocean warming. '- Although Argo etc can't find this missing heat. 0.023 C/decade is not a massive amount. It is supposition to attribute this to AGW. The Earth has been warming since the LIA; but it has been postulated by the IPCC that CO2 didn't affect temperatures until mid-20th century.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

It is only wiki but that's what you trip out on.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #202 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 10:34am There's 3 types of people on this Earth, 1. The Sheep, believe and do what the experts tell them. 2. The Dogs, question everything the experts tell them and research, argue and deny the experts when its appropriate to do so. 3. The Wolves, they are the experts.
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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #203 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:00am

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Let's try wiki-

'Global warming and climate change are terms for the observed century-scale rise in the average temperature of the Earth's climate system and its related effects.' - So it is average temperature of the Earth and its related effects. That is changes caused by the increased temperature.

'Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming.[2][3] Although the increase of near-surface atmospheric temperature is the measure of global warming often reported in the popular press, most of the additional energy stored in the climate system since 1970 has gone into ocean warming. '- Although Argo etc can't find this missing heat. 0.023 C/decade is not a massive amount. It is supposition to attribute this to AGW. The Earth has been warming since the LIA; but it has been postulated by the IPCC that CO2 didn't affect temperatures until mid-20th century.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

It is only wiki but that's what you trip out on.

Global warming: "... These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations..."

These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...

From the source cited by lee:

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Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported in 2014 that scientists were more than 95% certain that most of global warming is caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases and other human (anthropogenic) activities.[6][7][8] Climate model projections summarized in the report indicated that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 0.3 to 1.7 °C (0.5 to 3.1 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario using stringent mitigation and 2.6 to 4.8 °C (4.7 to 8.6 °F) for their highest.[9] These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #204 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:12pm

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

lee wrote on Aug 28^th, 2015 at 6:22pm:

Let's try wiki-

'Global warming and climate change are terms for the observed century-scale rise in the average temperature of the Earth's climate system and its related effects.' - So it is average temperature of the Earth and its related effects. That is changes caused by the increased temperature.

'Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming.[2][3] Although the increase of near-surface atmospheric temperature is the measure of global warming often reported in the popular press, most of the additional energy stored in the climate system since 1970 has gone into ocean warming. '- Although Argo etc can't find this missing heat. 0.023 C/decade is not a massive amount. It is supposition to attribute this to AGW. The Earth has been warming since the LIA; but it has been postulated by the IPCC that CO2 didn't affect temperatures until mid-20th century.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

It is only wiki but that's what you trip out on.

Global warming: "... These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations..."

These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations...

From the source cited by lee:

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Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported in 2014 that scientists were more than 95% certain that most of global warming is caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases and other human (anthropogenic) activities.[6][7][8] Climate model projections summarized in the report indicated that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 0.3 to 1.7 °C (0.5 to 3.1 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario using stringent mitigation and 2.6 to 4.8 °C (4.7 to 8.6 °F) for their highest.[9] These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations

Those same academies believed the earth was flat, that smoking was good for you and heavier than air flight was impossible. They also believe the smallest object was an atom and that uranium had no use.

Consensus is worthless.

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #205 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

Those same academies believed the earth was flat, that smoking was good for you and heavier than air flight was impossible. They also believe the smallest object was an atom and that uranium had no use.

They must have had a membership was over-represented by the ancestors of denizens lee and Maria Costel, the ultimate deniers and leading unprofessional stooges.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #206 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:20pm Unforgiven wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:00am: Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. You do note that they don't say that global warming is understood?
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #207 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:20pm: Unforgiven wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 11:00am: Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. You do note that they don't say that global warming is understood? True. They are not getting through to the unprofessional stooge deniers.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #208 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:27pm Unforgiven wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm: True. They are not getting through to the unprofessional stooge deniers. So their "understanding is increasing", and it's someone else's fault that it is not understood by them? Bizarre world you inhabit.
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Reply #209 - Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:29pm

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:27pm:

Unforgiven wrote on Aug 29^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

True. They are not getting through to the unprofessional stooge deniers.

So their "understanding is increasing", and it's someone else's fault that it is not understood by them? Bizarre world you inhabit.

The "them" who refuses to understand is lee.

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