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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #300 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 2:39pm Schtick doesn't defeat stick. The deniers offer nothing but abject denial, defamation and derision of global warming proponents. The words of the deniers are devoid of reason and fact. Maria Costel has no opinion and only posts what she is instructed to.
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Reply #301 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

And AGW is here and now, why try to deny it? Ideology? Christianity, only Gawd can change the climate? Fear of change?

The MVP was 1-3 degrees WARMER than today and for that we have 750 papers by 450 scientists from 40 countries.

How can the current warming of just 0.6 degrees be anthropogenic in any meaningful way? Especially now that the warming has stopped.

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Reply #302 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

Unforgiven wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

Schtick doesn't defeat stick.

The deniers offer nothing but abject denial, defamation and derision of global warming proponents. The words of the deniers are devoid of reason and fact.

Maria Costel has no opinion and only posts what she is instructed to.

Actually unhinged, this commentary on the hockey stick comes from WARMISTS ie - your side of the debate. Do be a good fellow and try and keep up, will you?

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Reply #303 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Warming hasn’t stopped, ice is still melting as fast as ever from glaciers, icesheets and the Arctic oceans.

People on the land have noticed traditional crops aren’t cutting it anymore and are moving to plant more heat tolerant varieties.

That stuff about the MWP is just crap made up by deniers, trying to falsify science to suit the interests of fossil fuel businesses.

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Reply #304 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Warming hasn’t stopped, ice is still melting as fast as ever from glaciers, icesheets and the Arctic oceans.

People on the land have noticed traditional crops aren’t cutting it anymore and are moving to plant more heat tolerant varieties.

That stuff about the MWP is just crap made up by deniers, trying to falsify science to suit the interests of fossil fuel businesses.

It is part of history and been there for 800 years. It is also confirmed by 450 scientists. It is not like the MVP is news to anyone connected with science or history or any other branch of science. It is an established fact which on its own demolishes the fraudulent Hockey Stick.

Why don't you read the free sample of the book on Amazon and do what few others on this topic do: get informed. it is entirely written by eminent scientists in the field.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #305 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 6:10pm I meant the deniers pretending the MWP was warmer than thought. Just lies, clumsy lies. AGW is NOW forcing the man on the land to change crops or buy land in cooler areas. That is happening NOW!
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Reply #306 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

I meant the deniers pretending the MWP was warmer than thought. Just lies, clumsy lies.

AGW is NOW forcing the man on the land to change crops or buy land in cooler areas. That is happening NOW!

Firstly, it isnt 'deniers' as you so limply claim. It is scientist and historians of ALL ILKS that claim the MVP was warmer than now. In fact, most scientific bodies say the same thing. NONE say the MVP didnt exist and the best you will get is thet the MVP is the same temp as now. Either way, it shows that current warming is not unprecedented and also largely NOT anthropogenic.

And quoting a few farmers changing crops is not evidence of 'farmers moving to cooler climates' coz none of them are.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #307 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 6:22pm http://www.michaelkeller.com/news/news575.htm http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/13/study-earth-was-warmer-in-roman-medieval-times/ Read some actual info from actual scientists about the MVP - warmer than today.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #308 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:16pm Actual scientists publish in Nature, New Scientist and the like. Keep reading crank sites tho, real science is obviously too hard for you.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45888 Gender:	Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim Reply #309 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:18pm There is also much more CO2 in the air now compared to then put there by our burning fossil fuels so very obviously the warming now IS anthropogenic. This isn’t hard to work out. This denier crap about the MWP is just a slightly more sophisticated version of “climate has always changed.”
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Reply #310 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Actual scientists publish in Nature, New Scientist and the like. Keep reading crank sites tho, real science is obviously too hard for you.

You do know that there are other publications and even so, the people referred to DO publish there? You are rather desperate to avoid having to face facts, dont you?

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Reply #311 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

There is also much more CO2 in the air now compared to then put there by our burning fossil fuels so very obviously the warming now IS anthropogenic. This isn’t hard to work out.

This denier crap about the MWP is just a slightly more sophisticated version of “climate has always changed.”

Human contribution of atmospheric CO2 is 0.005% of total atmospheric gases.

That is not a controlling influence. Not even remotely.

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Reply #312 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

You and Longy obviously don’t live on the land. Your denialism is only sustainable if you stay in your a/c houses and drive in your a/c cars to your a/c workplace.

It is warming to the extent agricultural practices/crops have to be changed.

AGW has weakened the jetstream to such an extent frigid Arctic air can escape to cause blizzards in England and the NE of the US and even further away. This winter Antarctic air escaped south and snow fell as far north as Qld. Will we have blizzards in the eastern states next year?

There is a huge El Nino building in the Pacific while the Indian Ocean is way hotter than normal. Maybe stockpile bottled water and iron rations.

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Reply #313 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:31pm

The next link is for the ignorant (ie johnsmith jovialmonk and a few others) that claim the hiatus in warming is not supported by science

http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525

NATURE magazine. And its first line is....

"Sixteen years into the mysterious ‘global-warming hiatus’, scientists are piecing together an explanation."

There is more, but how many times do you have to have the same thing shoved down your throats?

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Re: The Myth of the 97% consensus claim
Reply #314 - Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:32pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:

You and Longy obviously don’t live on the land. Your denialism is only sustainable if you stay in your a/c houses and drive in your a/c cars to your a/c workplace.

It is warming to the extent agricultural practices/crops have to be changed.

AGW has weakened the jetstream to such an extent frigid Arctic air can escape to cause blizzards in England and the NE of the US and even further away. This winter Antarctic air escaped south and snow fell as far north as Qld. Will we have blizzards in the eastern states next year?

There is a huge El Nino building in the Pacific while the Indian Ocean is way hotter than normal. Maybe stockpile bottled water and iron rations.

So you are a science denier?

I show you proof positive and you just ignore it?

You are a denier!

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