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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #30 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm:

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions.

IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him. Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

yeah really? slipper has 20 offences to his name. But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal. Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking.

or not.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

Correct.

slipper has 20 offences to his name

That does not make the stated fact that you comment on any better.

Fact is that Slipper was one of our better speakers and the incumbent speaker is in a small group at the other end of the scale if not all by herself.

Bishops performance has been an embarrassment to the Australian government.

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #31 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:04pm:

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Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day

That is true, but Bishop is a stand out ~ unique. Have you signed the Petition which presses for her resignation/removal? I'll re-post the link if you haven't.

the point of the hansard stats was to demonstrate that she ISNT a standout at all. Her removal for travel rorts is a different issue. (I know. 2 separate issues must be hard for you to follow)

The Courier Mail (paywall so no link) ran an article on her which sets out the comparative stats.

So...let's see your link to what you reckon Hansard says.

I have no idea why you would regard it as difficult, even for someone like yourself, to grasp that travel rorts are not the equivalent of her performance in the House as Speaker, but they are directly linked. Tony Burke must be relishing the next Question Time. They will, quite rightly, relentlessly mock the crap out of her.

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #32 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm:

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions.

IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him. Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

yeah really? slipper has 20 offences to his name. But there is only one motivation for any position you hold on any topic: anti-liberal. Perhaps you could try involving facts, perspective and truth into your thinking.

or not.

The really sad part is that Slipper has shown more ethics than the current speaker

Correct.

slipper has 20 offences to his name

That does not make the stated fact that you comment on any better.

Fact is that Slipper was one of our better speakers and the incumbent speaker is in a small group at the other end of the scale if not all by herself.

Bishops performance has been an embarrassment to the Australian government.

the ONLY thing you liked about Slipper is that he kept Gillard in power a bit like how you defended Thompson for years. ethics are not your strong suit.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Should speakers sever party ties? Reply #33 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Should speakers sever party ties? Reply #34 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked. I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.
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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #35 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #36 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

....AND give us the link which supports this.

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Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #37 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:52pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

....AND give us the link which supports this.

Quote:

Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

you provided t hat link yourself a few minutes ago fool. goldfish memory got you again?

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #38 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:48pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

I dont ever remember slipper ever ruling a question out of order, before it was even asked.

I doubt you recall much at all. Likemost lefties, your memory is similar to that of a goldfish, but conveniently so.

Perhaps you can refresh our memories with an example longy.

....AND give us the link which supports this.

Quote:

Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day.

you provided t hat link yourself a few minutes ago fool. goldfish memory got you again?

What post number are you referring to?

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #39 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm:

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions.

IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him. Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant.

As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party.

it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency.

Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime?

Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is?

I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer.

Putting his $900 indiscretion aside he was actually quite a good speaker, who didn't have a record of 99.9% of people
Kicked out being from the opposition.

as has been amply demonstrated in the recent past where your goldfish memory doesnt allow you to go, Hansard stats show that ALL speakers favour the government of the day and Bishop's performance is not at significant variance from anyone else. I am equally sure you will absolutely refuse to accept that and demand a link which you will then deny in a months time when the topci inevitably arises again.

GET A MEMORY.

Partisan hack, all I said was that slipper was an impartial speaker. Stupid partisan hack Grin

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #40 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:54pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm:

The first Speaker of the Federal Parliament did sever party ties. Slipper is one of the few Speakers who've come anywhere near that principle. B.Bishop, on the other hand, is such a poor custodian of impartiality that she has even used her Speaker's office for Liberal party functions.

IMO it would be a good idea for the Speaker to become an independent by renouncing any party affiliation.

Slipper had his part ties severed FOR him. Please dont imbue him with a set of ethics an honesty he clearly does not nor ever did, possess.

Slipper was an independent when he was Speaker. How he got there is irrelevant.

As opposed to Biased Bronny, who isn't even pretending to be impartial while abusing her position as Speaker to raise funds for the Liberal party.

it's extremely relevant. He became an independent after resigning from a party that was in the process of throwing him out for his behaviour. That is not an irrelevency.

Do you support Bishop continuing to occupy the Speaker's Chair, melielongtime?

Was Slipper a 'better' Speaker than Bishop is?

I expect she will resign in a month or two and I suspect the decision has already been made. Yes, she should go. Slipper was a disgrace and the only single thing you like about him was that his defection permitted the Gillard govt to stay in power. You are as trasnparent as you are ethics-free, fake lawyer.

no one asked for your expectations ... do you support Bishop? It's really not a difficult question is it? even for you.

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Re: Should speakers sever party ties?
Reply #41 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:56pm