Australian Politics Forum

Unforgiven

Gold Member

Offline

I have sinned

Posts: 8879
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #15 - Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

red baron wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

That depends what your definition of Law and Order is Unforgiven.

Just precisely what do you mean when you say Police are not carrying out their lawful function?

Now don't hold back be specific. You can get down on your ungrateful knees and thank God for the Police Forces in Australia. In the huge majority they are decent hard working men and women doing the toughest job in town.

Dealing with creeps like you on the bottom feeder end of the scale who are unappreciative of the fact that it is 'the thin blue line' that saves sorry arses like you from being trodden underfoot.

If I were a law abiding masochist I would love the Australian police.

The thin blue line has got very thick. Thick as a brick. Only the lowest common denominator is used in the selection of police candidates.

Back to top

“I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours” Bob Dylan

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 85457
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #16 - Jul 26^th, 2015 at 10:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/funny/photos/mine-camps-one-mans-struggle-find-accommod...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/funny/mine-camps-one-mans-struggle-find-accommodation-o...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

A fair review of his work shows some good points and some bad... but his idea of living and life was whacky....

It makes you wonder what Hitler would have become had he succeeded in establishing his thousand year Reich. Another prophet?

Good point. Would there be hordes of true believers out there beheading Infidels.....

Adolphu Aaa-aakbar!

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 85457
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #17 - Jul 26^th, 2015 at 10:48pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 8:49pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

That depends what your definition of Law and Order is Unforgiven.

Just precisely what do you mean when you say Police are not carrying out their lawful function?

Now don't hold back be specific. You can get down on your ungrateful knees and thank God for the Police Forces in Australia. In the huge majority they are decent hard working men and women doing the toughest job in town.

Dealing with creeps like you on the bottom feeder end of the scale who are unappreciative of the fact that it is 'the thin blue line' that saves sorry arses like you from being trodden underfoot.

If I were a law abiding masochist I would love the Australian police.

The thin blue line has got very thick. Thick as a brick. Only the lowest common denominator is used in the selection of police candidates.

OFCS can we drop this petty s#it for once?

I long ago demonstrated that the oath of office of a police officer to 'uphold the law as written' is the same as for an SS trooper...

Thing is they are not all SS troopers - and when idiots write the law and demand that others 'uphold it as written' they are demanding, quite often, something that is wrong and alien to human nature, which abhors wrong - even when its concepts of right and wrong are distorted.

Is it any wonder there are so many crack-ups in the police, and they get caught for drink driving etc, fitting up clients, then getting a transfer to a quiet country town where they cause mayhem amongst the naive locals who have no idea what it is like for those coppers in the big cities?

Chris Taylor: [voiceover] "I think now, looking back, we did not fight the enemy; we fought ourselves. And the enemy was in us. The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days as I'm sure Elias will be, fighting with Barnes for what Rhah called possession of my soul. There are times since, I've felt like the child born of those two fathers. But, be that as it may, those of us who did make it have an obligation to build again, to teach to others what we know, and to try with what's left of our lives to find a goodness and a meaning to this life. " - Platoon.......

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

UnSubRocky

Gold Member

Offline

Crocodile Hunter: Origins

Posts: 25022
Rockhampton
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #18 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 12:04am

red baron wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Hitler was a fiend, no doubt about it. But you can't help but wonder how one driven man could bring a Country back off its knees and instill a fervour like pride in itself.

I am not excusing him in any way. What he did was abhorrent, I'm simply talking how someone with true magnetism can lift a Country off its knees.

Ian Kershaw provides an excellent discourse on how Hitler went from rags to riches, written in "Hitler: Hubris (1889 - 1933)" and "Hitler: Nemesis (1933 - 1945)". I am still only half way through the first book. But I had read a good psychological analysis about how Hitler's bleak upbringing had conditioned him into becoming a man with a vision for Germany's future.

I could probably respect the man, Hitler. But, I think that there is such a dark side to him that is hidden from publications, that there is little to like about Hitler.

Back to top

At this stage...

IP Logged

John_Taverner

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2212
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #19 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:51am

Hitler fixed the economic problems of Germany and reduced unemployment even before the war, but unfortunately he did this to the demise of millions of Jews, Slavs and any other ethnic group that got in his way.

His ideology with regards to the "untermensch" was appalling, and nothing can excuse that, but some of the things that he put in place, for example the concept of a meritocracy and the mass production of the VW had ongoing benefits.

From one of Hitler's speeches
Quote:

With infallible certainty we are steering toward an order of things in which a process of selection will become active in the political leadership of the nation, as it exists throughout the whole of life in general. By this process of selection, which will follow the laws of Nature and the dictates of human reason, those among our people who show the greatest natural ability will be appointed to positions in the political leadership of the nation. In making this selection no consideration will be given to birth or ancestry, name or wealth, but only to the question of whether or not the candidate has a natural vocation for those higher positions of leadership. That was a fine principle which the great Corsican enunciated when he said that each one of his soldiers carried a marshal's baton in the haversack. In this country that principle will have its political counterpart. Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid.

In a way you can understand why ordinary Germans supported him. He was extremely articulate and had a clear vision for the future. Many would have supported his strong leadership style and his promise to rebuild Germany.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:57am by John_Taverner »

IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 107183
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #20 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:56am

John_Taverner wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:51am:

Hitler had a true sense of vision. He united the nation, fixed the economic problems and reduced unemployment before the war, but unfortunately he did this to the demise of millions of Jews, Slavs and any other ethnic group that got in his way.

His ideology with regards to the "untermensch" was appalling, and nothing can excuse that, but some of the things that he put in place, for example the concept of a meritocracy and the mass production of the VW had ongoing benefits.

From one of Hitler's speeches
Quote:

With infallible certainty we are steering toward an order of things in which a process of selection will become active in the political leadership of the nation, as it exists throughout the whole of life in general. By this process of selection, which will follow the laws of Nature and the dictates of human reason, those among our people who show the greatest natural ability will be appointed to positions in the political leadership of the nation. In making this selection no consideration will be given to birth or ancestry, name or wealth, but only to the question of whether or not the candidate has a natural vocation for those higher positions of leadership. That was a fine principle which the great Corsican enunciated when he said that each one of his soldiers carried a marshal's baton in the haversack. In this country that principle will have its political counterpart. Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid.

What a lie

Quote:

In making this selection no consideration will be given to birth or ancestry

Back to top

IP Logged

John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2212 Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #21 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:58am It was certainly a lie when it came to Jews or other groups whom he regarded as subhuman. I rearranged my post a bit since you quoted it. It read like I was a Hitler supporter.
Back to top	« Last Edit: Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:07am by John_Taverner » IP Logged

Ex Dame Pansi

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 24168

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #22 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:01am

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Sure, and when, for example, one honest copper exposes three bullying bashing arseholes,

he

gets charged with offences for doing so. Yeah, great system in that thin blue line.

Thats another weird thing about the left, they bitch and moan about the police yet support police states Grin

Not really. We booted Nazi Newman who went part way into making Qld a police state.

Back to top

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

IP Logged

John_Taverner

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2212
Gender: male

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #23 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:05am

red baron wrote on Jul 26^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

What we need in Australia right now is someone with the right stuff.

Someone like the legendary Labor Prime Minister John Curtin who told Winston Churchill where to stick it when Chruchill wanted our returning troops from the Middle East to go to Burma instead of relieving the kids on the Kokoda Track.

Curtin won the day. Too bad there isn't one of him in the Labor ranks right now, boy do we need him!!!

Yes. We have a distinct lack of good leaders in Australia, and that goes for all the major parties.

In terms of statesmanship, Abbott scores a C- and Shorten would be a D.

Back to top

IP Logged

Lisa Jones

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 39047
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: Mein Kampf
Reply #24 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:26am

John_Taverner wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 7:51am:

Hitler fixed the economic problems of Germany and reduced unemployment even before the war, but unfortunately he did this to the demise of millions of Jews, Slavs and any other ethnic group that got in his way.

His ideology with regards to the "untermensch" was appalling, and nothing can excuse that, but some of the things that he put in place, for example the concept of a meritocracy and the mass production of the VW had ongoing benefits.

From one of Hitler's speeches
Quote:

With infallible certainty we are steering toward an order of things in which a process of selection will become active in the political leadership of the nation, as it exists throughout the whole of life in general. By this process of selection, which will follow the laws of Nature and the dictates of human reason, those among our people who show the greatest natural ability will be appointed to positions in the political leadership of the nation. In making this selection no consideration will be given to birth or ancestry, name or wealth, but only to the question of whether or not the candidate has a natural vocation for those higher positions of leadership. That was a fine principle which the great Corsican enunciated when he said that each one of his soldiers carried a marshal's baton in the haversack. In this country that principle will have its political counterpart. Is there a nobler or more excellent kind of Socialism and is there a truer form of Democracy than this National Socialism which is so organized that through it each one among the millions of German boys is given the possibility of finding his way to the highest office in the nation, should it please Providence to come to his aid.

In a way you can understand why ordinary Germans supported him. He was extremely articulate and had a clear vision for the future. Many would have supported his strong leadership style and his promise to rebuild Germany.

Don't forget, many were too scared to disagree.

Back to top

If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

HYPATIA - Greek philosopher, mathematician and astronomer (370 - 415)

IP Logged

innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #25 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:01am: Not really. We booted Nazi Newman who went part way into making Qld a police state. Why do you support a Palestinian police state but not a QLD one?
Back to top	IP Logged

red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #26 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 9:16am You don't have to worry about the Police Selection process Unforgiven, you wouldn't get through the front door of the recruiting office.
Back to top	IP Logged

Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #27 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 10:48am red baron wrote on Jul 27^th, 2015 at 9:16am: You don't have to worry about the Police Selection process Unforgiven, you wouldn't get through the front door of the recruiting office. I know. They don't accept people with high IQ's and a good psychological profile. They want psychotics, boneheads and sickos.
Back to top	“I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours” Bob Dylan IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #28 - Jul 27^th, 2015 at 8:53pm The book should be required reading for anyone interested in history and politics.
Back to top	IP Logged

bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Mein Kampf Reply #29 - Jul 28^th, 2015 at 10:20am Well I haven't read it & I'm interested in politics & especially history. It's about 800 pages isn't it . . .no thanks
Back to top	Know the enemies of a civil society by their public behaviour, by their fraudulent claim to be liberal-progressive, by their propensity to lie and, above all, by their attachment to authoritarianism. IP Logged